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XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
26. Even though I don't agree with Glider Guider a lot of the time
Wed May 9, 2012, 10:02 PM
May 2012

I respect where he's coming from.

You're trying to pull some kind of "I am teh scientist here and I understand teh logic and my word is teh law" trip, but as a scientist I am down with the big tent.

One of the best classes I ever took was a class called inscape and landscape. This class was more valuable to me than environmental ethics in learning where different people are coming from and respecting those places.

The class was full of Carhartt-wearing forestry majors and dred-wearing environmental science majors. One of the things that we had to do for the class was get up and talk about our personal experience with nature. Predictably, most of the forestry guys brought in pictures from their duck-hunting adventures and most of the environmental science majors talked about how spiritual the redwoods were.

Three stories stood out to me.

There was this girl who looked like the ur-hippie of ur-hippies. She had long dreds and wore corduroy patchwork skirts and Guatemalan shirts and always looked like she had just come from a drumming circle. I never really had a lot of respect for her, but when it was her turn to give her presentation she talked about how she had been a sorority girl in New York state and she'd been in a terrible car accident and after a long, long recuperation she decided to renounce materialism and go protect the redwoods. Who am I to argue with this?

Another girl always dressed in a very stylish, sophisticated manner. She wore white dress shirts and black power skirts and pumps and she always had her makeup perfectly done. This stood out to me because the school I went to is very laid back and nobody dresses up. Like, for the guys a shirt with buttons is very dressed up, and for the girls anything more dressy than a nice tank-top will make you stand out. It turned out that she was a coal miner's daughter from West Virginia and she had grown up in a log cabin out in the woods that her dad had built himself.

Finally, there was this tiny little girl, she must have been about 5'1" and all of 85 pounds. She had these big blue eyes and this flowing white hair and this translucent white skin. If I was going to cast a play that had a fairy in it, she would have gotten the part. Well, she got up and she gave her presentation and the class was stunned. Like, a significant percent of the class were rootin' tootin' huntin' shootin' good ol' boys, and even they were stunned. She got up and she's like "Here's a FOX I trapped last month!" and she shows a picture of this poor defenseless gray fox in a leghold trap. She showed like 20 pictures of animals she'd caught. It was really something.

The moral of the story is that people might be coming from a place that you don't know anything about, and before you lay a heavy trip on someone maybe you should just consider the idea that you're poorly informed about them and maybe... just maybe... there's a time to hold back on judging people and just take in what they have to say. Then again, people who may seem innocuous up front might just kick your ass.



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News Flash: "World Bank Discovers Greenwashing" GliderGuider May 2012 #1
i just KNEW there would be some great comments about this! xchrom May 2012 #3
+1 Great minds think alike. DCKit May 2012 #4
That isn't it at all. kristopher May 2012 #16
Then banks shouldn't be the arbiters cprise May 2012 #30
Leaving aside for a moment... kristopher May 2012 #31
policy cprise May 2012 #33
That's more of a rant than an alternative... kristopher May 2012 #34
Please save the Chicago economics 101 cprise May 2012 #35
You say there are more choices but you didn't say what they are. kristopher May 2012 #39
How do you turn this into greenwashing? kristopher May 2012 #5
PLF GliderGuider May 2012 #6
You are just promoting perceptions that have little validity. kristopher May 2012 #7
The world is lucky to have you in it, kristopher. GliderGuider May 2012 #9
Facts are persistant things GG kristopher May 2012 #10
Yes, that is indeed what I count on. GliderGuider May 2012 #14
There is always give and take in finding the truth kristopher May 2012 #17
I don't reject the scientific method - it's quite valuable. GliderGuider May 2012 #19
"I'm not in the study business, sorry. Ask kristopher if you need a study done." - GG kristopher May 2012 #20
Scientism is a bit more than that. GliderGuider May 2012 #22
As I said below kristopher May 2012 #23
Why do you think your science degree is better than everyone else's? XemaSab May 2012 #24
You are more than welcome to support your "call" with reason and data. kristopher May 2012 #25
Even though I don't agree with Glider Guider a lot of the time XemaSab May 2012 #26
Yep, definately crab apples. kristopher May 2012 #27
Says the person who is going around attacking people XemaSab May 2012 #29
I'm not convinced in that, you routinely throw out the evidence showing us that we have no values... joshcryer May 2012 #28
Neoliberalism also holds that markets/capital cprise May 2012 #32
Only Kristopher can have valid perceptions .... oldhippie May 2012 #11
Pointing out that GG is wrong kristopher May 2012 #12
Actually, you are usually just pointing out that you disagree with me. GliderGuider May 2012 #18
Yes and no. kristopher May 2012 #21
Good luck with that. It seems over the years that people have gotten less NC_Nurse May 2012 #2
Another World-Class World Bank Fail hatrack May 2012 #8
I don't get your sarcasm kristopher May 2012 #13
I don't get your lack of reading comprehension hatrack May 2012 #36
+100 GliderGuider May 2012 #37
I'm well aware of the damage the world bank is responsible for. kristopher May 2012 #38
More and more of life under the very visible hand of the human market The2ndWheel May 2012 #15
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