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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
7. Who put forward a concept, "fascist Ministry of Truth" or otherwise?
Thu May 10, 2012, 01:07 AM
May 2012

I'm not making any proposal at all. I'm asking for opinions. The OP article describes a propaganda campaign that is designed to prevent action on global warming by subverting public opinion. I personally consider this one important, but isn't the only campaign of this sort by any means. Ever since the manipulation of public opinion by the tobacco industry, the use of covert and strategically designed propaganda efforts to sway public opinion has been a reality. If you think social media like DU is immune to such efforts for one reason of another then your answer would be that you don't see a need for a comprehensive policy to address the issue.

If on the other hand you do not think DU is immune then you either accept it as good, or you think it should be dealt with. It's clear you think we should deal with it and the policy you state you endorse is to let it be argued in a public forum; the truth will carry the day, right? You feel that we only need to "refute" those arguments and to do that good will is all we need.

Could you be more explicit and describe how that is to occur? If you mentally walk through a few scenarios I think you'll find it is much harder to do than simply letting it happen hit or miss.

How will you recognize it?

What makes you think that rational debate is, in fact, the objective of those who would misinform?

They are not practicing science, they are practicing the promotion of a message that is designed to sway emotions. How do you deal with it if there are a swarm of people pushing the same false messaging and constantly ridiculing you for showing them that they are presenting false information?

If your answer is to do what has been done to stop the propaganda campaign against the science of global warming I remind you that we've been losing that fight. Public opinion is unquestionably moving in the wrong direction and political action has become completely toxic. What makes you think the results will be different regarding renewable technologies?

A number said they had come to DC for strategy tips and PR advice. ...

"Everybody is amateur and everybody is learning from the ground up and re-inventing the wheel and the discussion among some of us was as to whether or not we could be a little more efficient and share resources and information," said Carolyn Gerwin an attorney and Tea Party activist from Pontiac Illinois who was among the participants.

Gerwin has been active in both Illinois Wind Watch and the Tea Party Patriots, and lobbied against wind energy at the state and federal level, her sign-in questionnaire for the February meeting said. "I'd like to see us develop a nationwide network of wind warriors that can be mobilised on very short notice," she wrote in a questionnaire distributed to participants.

There is evidence that network is already coming into being. Since the meeting, participants have pooled efforts to make phone calls and send email to members of Congress.


Social media isn't specifically mentioned, but there is abundant evidence that every professionally advised PR campaign being waged today is targeting the internet community as one of the most effective tools for spreading their message. Do you think DU is immune?




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k&r nt bananas May 2012 #1
Copy of leaked memo referenced in OP - This is effing incredible!!! kristopher May 2012 #12
This is a logical outcome of the Powell Memorandum of 1971. GliderGuider May 2012 #17
Move along, nothing to see. Don't bother reading post #12... kristopher May 2012 #18
Oh, by all means people should read post 12. I didn't say it was unimportant. GliderGuider May 2012 #19
"Knowing that it exists won't make it any easier to counter its effects" kristopher May 2012 #37
I believe there may already be such a policy in place OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #2
I don't think that addresses a commercially motivated propaganda campaign kristopher May 2012 #8
Like photographs of burning wind turbines? Kolesar May 2012 #3
As a photovoltaic enthusiast, I rather like the old Bell System ads… OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #4
Among other things. kristopher May 2012 #44
That goon Trump is now organizing against wind -- for what reason I don't know Kolesar May 2012 #46
If you see right-wing talking points being posted XemaSab May 2012 #5
I don't believe in the fascist Ministry of Truth concept being put forward here. joshcryer May 2012 #6
Who put forward a concept, "fascist Ministry of Truth" or otherwise? kristopher May 2012 #7
Your poll option, "DU needs some sort of policy to deal with conservative misinformation campaigns" joshcryer May 2012 #9
Do you or do you not think DU is subject to attention from commercially motivated PR campaigns? kristopher May 2012 #10
I do not think such evidence exists. joshcryer May 2012 #11
How much time and money do you think they have? GliderGuider May 2012 #16
Setting aside yet another personal attack from you... kristopher May 2012 #20
DU doesn't change policy, lobbyists do. And they used policy analysts... joshcryer May 2012 #23
I think the idea that we are under attack from an organized army of keyboard warriors GliderGuider May 2012 #26
It's unfortunate you feel that way. kristopher May 2012 #28
That is a presumptuous and loaded remark...eom Kolesar May 2012 #13
"Show usernames" ... lol Kolesar May 2012 #14
DU does need such a policy. FBaggins May 2012 #15
I think the idea of needing a "policy" is the problematic part caraher May 2012 #21
Why is that the only type of policy that is possible? kristopher May 2012 #22
Again, already being done ... Nihil May 2012 #25
"Again"? kristopher May 2012 #27
I guess maybe the word "policy" is confusing caraher May 2012 #29
Do you have any alternatives to suggest? kristopher May 2012 #31
The Great Leader thinks your suggestion is a good one XemaSab May 2012 #32
What suggestion? kristopher May 2012 #33
Really, I'd like to know what suggestion you are referring to. kristopher May 2012 #34
. XemaSab May 2012 #35
Where is there a suggestion in that? kristopher May 2012 #36
We've already banned one denier from the group XemaSab May 2012 #30
Nuclear advocacy is a right wing talking point Kolesar May 2012 #47
So you'll be leaving DU soon? FBaggins May 2012 #48
From post 12 - the ultimate goal of the right wing strategy in their own words. kristopher May 2012 #50
You've obviously replied to the wrong post. FBaggins May 2012 #51
Right, sure, fine, whatever XemaSab May 2012 #49
Slapp Suit, A Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation, .. (nolo) Kolesar May 2012 #24
I don't think we need a policy, kristopher. We need truth police, advocates, we need to fight. NYC_SKP May 2012 #38
That's a bit self contradictory kristopher May 2012 #39
Do you want DU policy to dictate speech? NYC_SKP May 2012 #40
I don't know how any policy could "dictate speech"? kristopher May 2012 #41
Fight with someone else, kristopher. I'm already on your side. NYC_SKP May 2012 #42
This isn't fighting. kristopher May 2012 #43
Yes it is. GliderGuider May 2012 #45
Kick kristopher May 2012 #52
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