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cprise

(8,445 posts)
33. policy
Thu May 10, 2012, 04:05 AM
May 2012

"I don't understand what you mean..."

I mean that the discourse over environmental issues will further lose any dimension it lacks, reducing more and more arguments into dollars and pushing out the science and peoples' willingness to familiarize with it. You can't reduce/convert the interplay of BTUs, precipitation, cloud cover, CO2-equivalents, albedo, biodiversity, thermodynamic efficiency, biomass, etc, etc... all down to a one-dimensional unit of currency (which itself is not scientific) and expect to make progress.

Its bad enough that politics has stuck its nose into ecology -- having Finance involved (they will insist on "partnerships" with lots of tantalizing PR) will just create a whole new generation of ecologists who are at best sponsored shills. This has already happened in the fields of "political science" and economics.

Have a look here:

These people were given the keys to the political culture, the power to define its terms and values, and look what happened. They need to be knocked off their pedestal and the pedestal recycled as fertilizer -- not given the power to co-opt or absorb more aspects of our culture and institutions. But monetizing the environment gives them exactly that; where greenwashing may work on some environmentalists and the public, this gives them some ability to plaster over the science as well.

My only big ideas for a mid-term solution is to foster a generalized suspicion in the direction of wealth and power (not just here on DU), and in so doing neutralize their ability to keep concocting circuses and shell games. With that, I think supporting a movement like Occupy is the necessary first step, attempting to put on the brakes just long enough to discredit the plutocracy and create an opening for structural change.

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News Flash: "World Bank Discovers Greenwashing" GliderGuider May 2012 #1
i just KNEW there would be some great comments about this! xchrom May 2012 #3
+1 Great minds think alike. DCKit May 2012 #4
That isn't it at all. kristopher May 2012 #16
Then banks shouldn't be the arbiters cprise May 2012 #30
Leaving aside for a moment... kristopher May 2012 #31
policy cprise May 2012 #33
That's more of a rant than an alternative... kristopher May 2012 #34
Please save the Chicago economics 101 cprise May 2012 #35
You say there are more choices but you didn't say what they are. kristopher May 2012 #39
How do you turn this into greenwashing? kristopher May 2012 #5
PLF GliderGuider May 2012 #6
You are just promoting perceptions that have little validity. kristopher May 2012 #7
The world is lucky to have you in it, kristopher. GliderGuider May 2012 #9
Facts are persistant things GG kristopher May 2012 #10
Yes, that is indeed what I count on. GliderGuider May 2012 #14
There is always give and take in finding the truth kristopher May 2012 #17
I don't reject the scientific method - it's quite valuable. GliderGuider May 2012 #19
"I'm not in the study business, sorry. Ask kristopher if you need a study done." - GG kristopher May 2012 #20
Scientism is a bit more than that. GliderGuider May 2012 #22
As I said below kristopher May 2012 #23
Why do you think your science degree is better than everyone else's? XemaSab May 2012 #24
You are more than welcome to support your "call" with reason and data. kristopher May 2012 #25
Even though I don't agree with Glider Guider a lot of the time XemaSab May 2012 #26
Yep, definately crab apples. kristopher May 2012 #27
Says the person who is going around attacking people XemaSab May 2012 #29
I'm not convinced in that, you routinely throw out the evidence showing us that we have no values... joshcryer May 2012 #28
Neoliberalism also holds that markets/capital cprise May 2012 #32
Only Kristopher can have valid perceptions .... oldhippie May 2012 #11
Pointing out that GG is wrong kristopher May 2012 #12
Actually, you are usually just pointing out that you disagree with me. GliderGuider May 2012 #18
Yes and no. kristopher May 2012 #21
Good luck with that. It seems over the years that people have gotten less NC_Nurse May 2012 #2
Another World-Class World Bank Fail hatrack May 2012 #8
I don't get your sarcasm kristopher May 2012 #13
I don't get your lack of reading comprehension hatrack May 2012 #36
+100 GliderGuider May 2012 #37
I'm well aware of the damage the world bank is responsible for. kristopher May 2012 #38
More and more of life under the very visible hand of the human market The2ndWheel May 2012 #15
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