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kristopher

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34. That's more of a rant than an alternative...
Thu May 10, 2012, 05:41 AM
May 2012

Starting with the tragedy of commons as our reference, we know we have a problem to solve. How does that problem get solved. It is real, it is immediate and it is not going to wait for a revolution to occur. We either work to solve it within the system that exists or we accept the continued decline of global ecosystems while we dreaming of "what could be if only".

The proposal in the OP is an excellent step that brings currently unrepresented ecological stakeholders to the table when decisions are being made about what is "valuable".

Let's take an immediate example and show how this can work where the rubber hits the road. We want a carbon tax to discourage the use of fossil fuels, correct? *One* of the tools used to promote the carbon tax is monetized assessments of environmental costs. How far do you think we could get if we didn't make some attempt to put values on ecological systems like wetlands, mangrove swamps and coral reefs when we discuss potential losses. Without that, we are left with appeals to emotions that will simply be ignored. You can want it to be different, but that is and always has been the nature of humanity.

You don't have to like the way the financial institutions are run to understand the need to improve the existing system.

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News Flash: "World Bank Discovers Greenwashing" GliderGuider May 2012 #1
i just KNEW there would be some great comments about this! xchrom May 2012 #3
+1 Great minds think alike. DCKit May 2012 #4
That isn't it at all. kristopher May 2012 #16
Then banks shouldn't be the arbiters cprise May 2012 #30
Leaving aside for a moment... kristopher May 2012 #31
policy cprise May 2012 #33
That's more of a rant than an alternative... kristopher May 2012 #34
Please save the Chicago economics 101 cprise May 2012 #35
You say there are more choices but you didn't say what they are. kristopher May 2012 #39
How do you turn this into greenwashing? kristopher May 2012 #5
PLF GliderGuider May 2012 #6
You are just promoting perceptions that have little validity. kristopher May 2012 #7
The world is lucky to have you in it, kristopher. GliderGuider May 2012 #9
Facts are persistant things GG kristopher May 2012 #10
Yes, that is indeed what I count on. GliderGuider May 2012 #14
There is always give and take in finding the truth kristopher May 2012 #17
I don't reject the scientific method - it's quite valuable. GliderGuider May 2012 #19
"I'm not in the study business, sorry. Ask kristopher if you need a study done." - GG kristopher May 2012 #20
Scientism is a bit more than that. GliderGuider May 2012 #22
As I said below kristopher May 2012 #23
Why do you think your science degree is better than everyone else's? XemaSab May 2012 #24
You are more than welcome to support your "call" with reason and data. kristopher May 2012 #25
Even though I don't agree with Glider Guider a lot of the time XemaSab May 2012 #26
Yep, definately crab apples. kristopher May 2012 #27
Says the person who is going around attacking people XemaSab May 2012 #29
I'm not convinced in that, you routinely throw out the evidence showing us that we have no values... joshcryer May 2012 #28
Neoliberalism also holds that markets/capital cprise May 2012 #32
Only Kristopher can have valid perceptions .... oldhippie May 2012 #11
Pointing out that GG is wrong kristopher May 2012 #12
Actually, you are usually just pointing out that you disagree with me. GliderGuider May 2012 #18
Yes and no. kristopher May 2012 #21
Good luck with that. It seems over the years that people have gotten less NC_Nurse May 2012 #2
Another World-Class World Bank Fail hatrack May 2012 #8
I don't get your sarcasm kristopher May 2012 #13
I don't get your lack of reading comprehension hatrack May 2012 #36
+100 GliderGuider May 2012 #37
I'm well aware of the damage the world bank is responsible for. kristopher May 2012 #38
More and more of life under the very visible hand of the human market The2ndWheel May 2012 #15
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