Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
16. How much time and money do you think they have?
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:03 AM
May 2012

Last edited Thu May 10, 2012, 09:38 AM - Edit history (1)

This is an environment board on DemocraticUndergound. It's not a blog associated with "Science" or "Nature", or with the wind power industry, or even RealClimate.org. This board is essentially a water cooler, with exactly the sorts of conversations one would expect to find in such a place. Very few people come here looking for authoritative information on renewable energy. Given that somewhat humbling fact, no commercial PR campaign worth its salt would waste a minute or a dollar on our impoverished opinions. And if they did, what on earth would they gain?

There might be a few commercial RW campaigns that target DU in general on the political side, but even there the motivation would seem to be lacking. This is a committed progressive board after all, and as such is automatically unfertile ground for swaying public opinion (which is what anyone with money to spend on the effort wants to do).

That same logic goes double for this little corner of the DU-niverse. The simple fact that there are some participants here who think renewables are unlikely to help, or even that nuclear power might be acceptable, is not evidence of some nefarious commercial RW campaign against us. It's just evidence that people have very broadly varying opinions on any topic one cares to name.

The idea that the Koch brothers or the American Enterprise Institute would care enough about what we think about renewables - especially that they would care enough to spend money to disrupt the flow of conversation here in E&E - seems more than a touch grandiose. I'd go so far as to say that it's a narcissistic perception. The idea that they are already here, lurking around and fomenting their evil agenda in our little outpost of banter and opinion, is IMO frankly paranoiac.

You repeatedly insinuate that anyone whose opinion is more than a sigma or two away from your own is a RW shill. I've always been horrified that you would resort to slander like that, but I've realized that it's part of a longstanding pattern. Recognizing the pattern makes it easier to have compassion, but it doesn't mean I will capitulate to paranoid, megalomaniac bullying, and I don't think anyone else here should either. The idea that the RW is spending money on us is, as far as I can tell from my eight years of membership, nothing but a figment of your own febrile imagination.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

k&r nt bananas May 2012 #1
Copy of leaked memo referenced in OP - This is effing incredible!!! kristopher May 2012 #12
This is a logical outcome of the Powell Memorandum of 1971. GliderGuider May 2012 #17
Move along, nothing to see. Don't bother reading post #12... kristopher May 2012 #18
Oh, by all means people should read post 12. I didn't say it was unimportant. GliderGuider May 2012 #19
"Knowing that it exists won't make it any easier to counter its effects" kristopher May 2012 #37
I believe there may already be such a policy in place OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #2
I don't think that addresses a commercially motivated propaganda campaign kristopher May 2012 #8
Like photographs of burning wind turbines? Kolesar May 2012 #3
As a photovoltaic enthusiast, I rather like the old Bell System ads… OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #4
Among other things. kristopher May 2012 #44
That goon Trump is now organizing against wind -- for what reason I don't know Kolesar May 2012 #46
If you see right-wing talking points being posted XemaSab May 2012 #5
I don't believe in the fascist Ministry of Truth concept being put forward here. joshcryer May 2012 #6
Who put forward a concept, "fascist Ministry of Truth" or otherwise? kristopher May 2012 #7
Your poll option, "DU needs some sort of policy to deal with conservative misinformation campaigns" joshcryer May 2012 #9
Do you or do you not think DU is subject to attention from commercially motivated PR campaigns? kristopher May 2012 #10
I do not think such evidence exists. joshcryer May 2012 #11
How much time and money do you think they have? GliderGuider May 2012 #16
Setting aside yet another personal attack from you... kristopher May 2012 #20
DU doesn't change policy, lobbyists do. And they used policy analysts... joshcryer May 2012 #23
I think the idea that we are under attack from an organized army of keyboard warriors GliderGuider May 2012 #26
It's unfortunate you feel that way. kristopher May 2012 #28
That is a presumptuous and loaded remark...eom Kolesar May 2012 #13
"Show usernames" ... lol Kolesar May 2012 #14
DU does need such a policy. FBaggins May 2012 #15
I think the idea of needing a "policy" is the problematic part caraher May 2012 #21
Why is that the only type of policy that is possible? kristopher May 2012 #22
Again, already being done ... Nihil May 2012 #25
"Again"? kristopher May 2012 #27
I guess maybe the word "policy" is confusing caraher May 2012 #29
Do you have any alternatives to suggest? kristopher May 2012 #31
The Great Leader thinks your suggestion is a good one XemaSab May 2012 #32
What suggestion? kristopher May 2012 #33
Really, I'd like to know what suggestion you are referring to. kristopher May 2012 #34
. XemaSab May 2012 #35
Where is there a suggestion in that? kristopher May 2012 #36
We've already banned one denier from the group XemaSab May 2012 #30
Nuclear advocacy is a right wing talking point Kolesar May 2012 #47
So you'll be leaving DU soon? FBaggins May 2012 #48
From post 12 - the ultimate goal of the right wing strategy in their own words. kristopher May 2012 #50
You've obviously replied to the wrong post. FBaggins May 2012 #51
Right, sure, fine, whatever XemaSab May 2012 #49
Slapp Suit, A Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation, .. (nolo) Kolesar May 2012 #24
I don't think we need a policy, kristopher. We need truth police, advocates, we need to fight. NYC_SKP May 2012 #38
That's a bit self contradictory kristopher May 2012 #39
Do you want DU policy to dictate speech? NYC_SKP May 2012 #40
I don't know how any policy could "dictate speech"? kristopher May 2012 #41
Fight with someone else, kristopher. I'm already on your side. NYC_SKP May 2012 #42
This isn't fighting. kristopher May 2012 #43
Yes it is. GliderGuider May 2012 #45
Kick kristopher May 2012 #52
Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Environment & Energy»Right wing stepping up at...»Reply #16