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kristopher

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4. Some questions
Sat May 12, 2012, 02:54 PM
May 2012

It is generally accepted that the most important inflection point in the past 200K years occurred about 10K years ago with the development of agriculture and settlements. Have you considered that you are placing too heavy an emphasis on fossil fuels and that you are missing the fact that what you are seeing as flat on your chart is actually part of the curves tail covering a period of early geometric growth into the available space with increasingly efficient agricultural techniques?

While energy is very important and fossil fuels have unquestionably played a major role, how would you explain the relationship of these two charts to your thesis. The first is distribution of population by political boundary and the second is GDP, which can serve for the moment as a proxy for fossil fuel consumption:



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_pCDyiFUv9XU/ShMtRtF3zWI/AAAAAAAAEFM/ljupL-7ydQM/s1600-h/GDP+PIE.jpg

The link for the second chart is good, but it isn't displaying for some reason. What it shows is that population growth correlates very poorly with energy consumption.


Let's add one more piece of evidence to the discussion:

Conclusion
We submit that the models provided here present a compelling case that the road to a sustainable future lies in concerted efforts to move from fossil fuels to renewable wind and solar energy sources. This transition can occur in two or three decades and requires very little fossil fuel (on the order of one half of a year’s present global consumption) and no revolutionary technological innovations. Since our model uses conservative estimates, the true renewable potential that is available to our society may be even more optimistic than we show. The primary anticipated obstacles to implementing this transition are non-technical, including lack of political will and economic prioritization. Nevertheless, this transition in the time scale of a few decades is imperative for global climate security.


A Solar Transition is Possible
Peter  D.  Schwartzman  &  David  W.  Schwartzman
March  2011

David Schwartzman is Professor in the Department of Biology at Howard University. He is the author of Life, Temperature and the Earth: The Self-Or- ganizing Biosphere (Columbia University Press). He obtained a PhD in Geo- chemistry from Brown University in 1971.

Peter Schwartzman is Associate Professor and Chair of Environmental Stud- ies at Knox College. He obtained his PhD in Environmental Sciences from the University of Virginia in 1997.

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Yeah. So? RobertEarl May 2012 #1
Probably more than a "Yeah? So?" question for those of us who have children. villager May 2012 #2
You have children? RobertEarl May 2012 #3
Hell yes, I'm worried about what we're leaving to our kids. Jackpine Radical May 2012 #5
What will you do? RobertEarl May 2012 #6
"Yes" villager May 2012 #7
"So??" That's the response of a sociopath, of someone with kestrel91316 May 2012 #8
Did you read the whole post? RobertEarl May 2012 #10
Some questions kristopher May 2012 #4
A few further comments, for those who want to save civilization. GliderGuider May 2012 #9
How does accepting your thesis help save civilization? kristopher May 2012 #11
Seriously? RobertEarl May 2012 #12
"But what do I know?" kristopher May 2012 #13
Nows your big chance RobertEarl May 2012 #15
That depends on what you do with it. GliderGuider May 2012 #14
If the British Empire used coal as a work multiplier, FogerRox May 2012 #16
That's why I bracket the dates 1900 and 1925. GliderGuider May 2012 #17
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