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NNadir

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4. Oh, please...
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 10:39 PM
Mar 2022

There are zero "I'm not an anti-nuke" anti-nukes who know anything at all about uranium mining. As I have studied nuclear engineering for 30 years, having long held that uranium mining is unnecessary with the fast neutron spectrum - a point now being made by the commercial company Oklo - I have no use for such silly whining. The uranium and thorium already mined - the latter represented by radioactive mine tailings from the mining of lanthanides, including easily depleted dysprosium, on which wind turbines and electric cars depend - are sufficient to be able to eliminate all energy mines on this planet, coal, oil, and natural gas for centuries.

Anyone, and I do mean anyone who opens there mouth about mining while hyping the useless so called "renewable energy" industry which is unsustainable precisely because of its material demands, is rather in the position of Putin or Trump complaining about attacks on democracy.

I have no idea whence this statement about 200%, 2X, comes. It is meaningless gibberish from where I sit. There's a table of data in the OP, and a discussion of data throughout the post which took considerable work to write. None of this justifies anything about 200%, 2X or whatever the hell is being claimed.

Here's the fact: Denmark, like Germany, is burning coal tonight. Coal kills people whenever coal plants operate normally, and is a major contributor the seven million per year who die each year while people whine about things like collapsed tunnels at the Hanford reservation. Since Denmark, like Germany, relies on unreliable energy, they need two systems to do what one can do, at a huge financial and environmental cost. In both countries, one of the secondary redundant systems rely on coal.

Is that mysterious?

Germany shut nuclear plants to burn coal. That is, in my view, criminally insane.

For me, since I am an environmentalist and not an apologist for a useless, gas and coal dependent, reactionary scheme to return to the 19th century with so called "renewable energy" (which was abandoned for a reason) a result would involve addressing climate change, not pixilated hard to follow bean counting.

Here's a result: Yesterday, March 27, 2022 the concentration of the deadly, dangerous, fossil fuel waste carbon dioxide in the planetary atmosphere was 419.64 ppm.

Got it?

No? Why am I not surprised?

Are any "I'm not an anti-nuke" anti-nukes here to tell me that wind and solar power on the entire planet, supported by half a century of wild eyed cheering, have caused the climate problem to go away? For the record, for people who can count, 10.4 Exajoules (see the table in the OP from the IEA WEO for wind and solar) is, in the mindless "percent talk" used to market a failed system costing more than 3 trillion dollars, is about 35% of what nuclear energy has produced in 2020, 29.4 Exajoules, in the nuclear case without the need for redundant coal, gas, and oil plants to back them up.

This outcome took place in an environment lasting over nearly half a century where assholes carried on about minor radiation leaks that killed no one while not giving a rat's ass about hundreds of millions of air pollution deaths at a rate of around 60 to 70 million people per decade, while, again, everybody in a poorly educated set of people ignorant of issues in energy engineering cheered mindlessly for solar and wind.

Again, the result is in: People died from heat stroke in British Columbia from heat stroke when temperatures were reached just shy of 50°C, over 121°F. British fucking Columbia!!! Last week simultaneous heat waves were observed at both poles of this planet.

Spare me the bullshit please. I spend a lot of time studying issues in energy and the environment. I'm not some uneducated kid.

It is again, a moral disgrace that we have spent trillions of dollars to satiate a silly bourgeois conceit on a planet where hundreds of thousands of adults and children die each year from diarrheal diseases because nearly two billion people lack improved sanitation, that bourgeois conceit being that wind and solar were acceptable forms of energy. They aren't.

Let's be clear, there is not enough copper, enough nickel, enough cobalt, enough calcined lime, enough aluminum, enough steel to be mined and refined make the low energy to mass ratio so called "renewable energy" scheme work. It's a fools errand, and say what you will about me, I'm no fucking fool.

About the wind energy disaster, Vaclav Smil said it best:

Vaclav Smil: What I See When I See A Wind Turbine.



The wind and solar industries are a disgrace, morally, economically and environmentally. As we push 420 ppm of carbon dioxide in the planetary atmosphere it may be time to wake up and spend our resources on things that work.

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