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localroger

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6. Accidents are bad, but they are not the deal-killer with nuclear
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 05:53 PM
Jul 2022

The deal-killer is the waste. It has been piling up since 1945 and we have no idea what to do with it. If we were actually generating a significant fraction of the world's energy needs with nuclear, it would be a huge problem. If we moved to some improved reactor tech that is meltdown-proof like pebble bed reactors, they would still generate the same amount of waste.

Accidents are a huge problem too, but accidents can be written off as something for the future to worry about. Profit-driven companies are not going to take the precautions necessary for truly safe operation. (Truly safe operation is possible, of course, as the US Navy has shown. But they are not profit-driven, and they spend the money where they have to.)

But the waste is an immediate and ongoing problem. The biggest problem at Fukushima was not the reactors themselves, but the waste pools. Every nuclear facility in the world has old fuel rods sitting in glorified swimming pools waiting for an ultimate disposal that has never been scheduled. These things will remain insanely toxic for tens of thousands of years and we have no idea what to do with them.

For all its flaws wind power doesn't create waste that will be toxic for ten times as long as civilization has existed. And if I'm not mistaken it's wind and solar that have been keeping Texas' fucked up isolated power grid up during the current weather crisis.

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Carry on cbabe Jul 2022 #1
Upton Sinclair stated it so well: ZZenith Jul 2022 #2
An apt criticism of natural gas dependent "renewable energy" schemes, perhaps? hunter Jul 2022 #5
Exactly equivalent. Carrying on about Fukushima in particular is abysmally stupid... NNadir Jul 2022 #3
Well allow me to be the first localroger Jul 2022 #8
I have no use, zero, for carrying on about Three Mile Island, nor do I have any use for doing... NNadir Jul 2022 #10
I do not have an "absurd fear" of radioactive materials. I have respect for them. localroger Jul 2022 #12
So your Dad was a scientist? You did a high school project?. NNadir Jul 2022 #15
I see you missed the part where I work in industry with high technology localroger Jul 2022 #16
I'm responsible for buying millions of dollars of high tech equipment. NNadir Jul 2022 #17
You see only what you want to see, and hear only what you want to hear localroger Jul 2022 #18
Is world total turbine capacity a small multiple of the Danish figure? 4dog Jul 2022 #4
It doesn't take too much spreadsheet work to estimate an answer to your question. NNadir Jul 2022 #7
Accidents are bad, but they are not the deal-killer with nuclear localroger Jul 2022 #6
Actually, the deal killer of "waste" should apply to dangerous fossil fuels, not used nuclear fuel. NNadir Jul 2022 #9
Excuse me but you do not seem to know what you are talking about localroger Jul 2022 #11
Really? I'm getting a lecture on nuclear fuels and fission physics? NNadir Jul 2022 #13
Well if you think I'm ignorant... localroger Jul 2022 #14
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