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caseymoz

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17. I went through the inherent design flaws
Thu May 24, 2012, 09:48 AM
May 2012

In any fission reactor. Those are going to be true no matter what the design is. Those are always going to carry with it serious safety issues, not to mention huge expenditures those issues entail.

That mathematical model is taking all of what you said into account. It's absolutely fair to look at all the reactors in operation and not just the new ones. If you threw out the newer ones, wouldn't that be grading on a curve? It's easy enough to separate the newer reactors from the older ones, do the division to find out if there is improvement.

It might give you confidence, but that method is also invalid due to shorter operation times. You can't extrapolate improvement in the long term from the short term, especially when long term retrospective safety was exactly what this study was meant to find out. The scientists know this, and I'm informing you of it.

Moreover, just because the article doesn't mention that the scientists studied new reactors doesn't mean they didn't, however flawed that analysis might be. Reporter can't put everything into the story. Maybe you should read the original.

I seem to remember operator stupidity was actually what caused Chernobyl, and the reactor wasn't designed with withstand the utterly stupid things done. In the last decade, it's become fashionable to say it was a design flaw. No, it wasn't. True the reactor wasn't designed to be run in an idiocracy. No reactor can be. Not when every reactor has to be constantly cooled to prevent catastrophe.

A principle selling point of the old reactors everywhere by the industry in all its ideologies and nationalities was their safety. Now we have new, improved, reactors whose selling point is their safety. Given the industry track-record, worldwide, why should those assurances be considered true? Are they born again honest and humble this time? Don't you see a credibility problem?

The current reactors are considered improved by correcting yesterday's problems, not any new, unforeseen ones. New designs can introduce new, unforeseeable accidents.

The only way we can know if they're significantly safer is to run them long term. That hasn't happened yet. To sum up: you have no reason but industry assurances and blind faith that the new ones are safer. And no reason to think these scientists approach was simplistic or biased just by reading this article.

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What incredbible nonsense FBaggins May 2012 #1
I think the scientists considered what you said. caseymoz May 2012 #4
Think again. FBaggins May 2012 #8
I went through the inherent design flaws caseymoz May 2012 #17
I'm sorry, but you've just admitted to be true that which I claimed. FBaggins May 2012 #18
And your interpretation of what I wrote is false caseymoz May 2012 #27
While other reactor designs fail for other reasons OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #21
You've raised a good point. FBaggins May 2012 #22
The root cause of inadequate training is…hubris OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #24
The people at the Max Planck Institute are incredible idiots? intaglio May 2012 #6
I don't think they're idiots... FBaggins May 2012 #9
Would you mind giving a proper citation for the sections you are referring to? kristopher May 2012 #10
Try reading what you respond to. FBaggins May 2012 #11
I had already read the paper before the OP was posted. kristopher May 2012 #14
The you are without excuse. FBaggins May 2012 #15
Here is what the authors say kristopher May 2012 #19
You've confused unrelated portions of the piece. FBaggins May 2012 #20
So what you are saying is that MPI is being deliberately misleading? intaglio May 2012 #12
They could be... or it could be the reporting. FBaggins May 2012 #16
As I said, conspiracy theory intaglio May 2012 #23
Common factor is One_Life_To_Give May 2012 #25
Well you certainly won't catch me bad-mouthing Rickover FBaggins May 2012 #26
It's not nonsense, it was even used in MIT's 2003 report "The Future of Nuclear Power" bananas May 2012 #28
If that's the case, why aren't they happening? JayhawkSD May 2012 #2
Here is the full list kristopher May 2012 #3
They are happening. In fact, there are three happening right now. bananas May 2012 #5
Exactly. And none of the world's plants are getting younger. The apologetics for the nuclear gang, villager May 2012 #7
I think this is the key to their analysis caraher May 2012 #13
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