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FBaggins

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18. I'm sorry, but you've just admitted to be true that which I claimed.
Thu May 24, 2012, 11:03 AM
May 2012

You really do think that all reactors are essentially the same in terms of how often you could expect one to fail.

That's ridiculous in the extreme.

Moreover, just because the article doesn't mention that the scientists studied new reactors doesn't mean they didn't,

Actually, it does... particularly when it explicitly says that they didn't.

The Mainz researchers did not distinguish ages and types of reactors, or whether they are located in regions of enhanced risks


I seem to remember operator stupidity was actually what caused Chernobyl

That's correct. It's also relevant to this conversation... because the same stupidity at a western reactor could not have had anything like the same result. To use your wording, there were "inherent design flaws" that do not exist "in any fission reactor"

It might give you confidence, but that method is also invalid due to shorter operation times.

You may be misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm not talking about the newest designs being better than the older ones (though they are). I'm just refering to differences between existing reactors. As has been pointed out here many times, the simple fact that US reactors (of the same period and basic design) have their backup generators in waterproof vaults very likely would have meant that Fukushima would never been more than a week-long news story. The hardened vents that most have could have avoided the hydrogen explosions. You could go on and on before you even come to the fact that very few reactors sit low on a tsunami-prone coastline or where record-sized earthquakes occur.

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What incredbible nonsense FBaggins May 2012 #1
I think the scientists considered what you said. caseymoz May 2012 #4
Think again. FBaggins May 2012 #8
I went through the inherent design flaws caseymoz May 2012 #17
I'm sorry, but you've just admitted to be true that which I claimed. FBaggins May 2012 #18
And your interpretation of what I wrote is false caseymoz May 2012 #27
While other reactor designs fail for other reasons OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #21
You've raised a good point. FBaggins May 2012 #22
The root cause of inadequate training is…hubris OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #24
The people at the Max Planck Institute are incredible idiots? intaglio May 2012 #6
I don't think they're idiots... FBaggins May 2012 #9
Would you mind giving a proper citation for the sections you are referring to? kristopher May 2012 #10
Try reading what you respond to. FBaggins May 2012 #11
I had already read the paper before the OP was posted. kristopher May 2012 #14
The you are without excuse. FBaggins May 2012 #15
Here is what the authors say kristopher May 2012 #19
You've confused unrelated portions of the piece. FBaggins May 2012 #20
So what you are saying is that MPI is being deliberately misleading? intaglio May 2012 #12
They could be... or it could be the reporting. FBaggins May 2012 #16
As I said, conspiracy theory intaglio May 2012 #23
Common factor is One_Life_To_Give May 2012 #25
Well you certainly won't catch me bad-mouthing Rickover FBaggins May 2012 #26
It's not nonsense, it was even used in MIT's 2003 report "The Future of Nuclear Power" bananas May 2012 #28
If that's the case, why aren't they happening? JayhawkSD May 2012 #2
Here is the full list kristopher May 2012 #3
They are happening. In fact, there are three happening right now. bananas May 2012 #5
Exactly. And none of the world's plants are getting younger. The apologetics for the nuclear gang, villager May 2012 #7
I think this is the key to their analysis caraher May 2012 #13
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