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NickB79

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Thu Apr 13, 2023, 08:39 PM Apr 2023

The Rising Chorus of Renewable Energy Skeptics [View all]

https://www.resilience.org/stories/2023-04-10/the-rising-chorus-of-renewable-energy-skeptics/

For largely ideological reasons many greens and “transitionists” have presented the transition to renewables as a smooth road with no potholes.

In so doing they have ignored much basic geology, energy physics and even geopolitics. As a consequence many imagine the construction of millions of batteries, wind mills, solar panels, transmission lines and associated technologies, but they downplay the required intensification of mining for copper, nickel, cobalt and rare minerals you’ve probably never heard of such as dysprosium and neodymium.

One of the great lies of modern technological society is that of endless mineral abundance. Urban consumers, who have little knowledge of energy realities underpinning their existence, have swallowed the idea that digital gadgets and automation will somehow detach society from the physical world and allow us to do more with less, leading to a dematerialization of society.

But that’s a wholesale fiction long debunked by the likes of the energy ecologist Vaclav Smil and the late geologist Walter Youngquist. The average North American citizen not only consumes 1.3 million kilograms of minerals, metals and fuels in their lifetime but has no idea where they come from or at what cost.


Continuing to burn fossil fuels is suicidal.

But, trying to support our current global civilization and capitalist society, and keep it growing economically year after year, is also suicidal.

Trapped between a rock and a hard place.
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I think as long as we can build these things we should Blues Heron Apr 2023 #1
What will save us? hunter Apr 2023 #4
I think anti solar and anti wind people are a big part of the problem Blues Heron Apr 2023 #5
There are many sorts of anti-solar and anti-wind people... hunter Apr 2023 #7
we have to live in the real world. Banning fossil fuels is not going to happen. Blues Heron Apr 2023 #9
A large part of me is still a crazy homeless guy living in a garden shed or my broken car... hunter Apr 2023 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Brenda Apr 2023 #15
Admiration for your minimalist lifestyle Finishline42 Apr 2023 #19
I fully recognize that antinukes would love to blame poor people for existing. NNadir Apr 2023 #20
Now do Megapacks Finishline42 Apr 2023 #21
Um...thanks for a QED. NNadir Apr 2023 #22
Yep, cobalt is mainly used for EV batteries Finishline42 Apr 2023 #23
There is now, and then there are people working to make things worse. NNadir Apr 2023 #24
DQIIIIIIII said... Finishline42 Apr 2023 #25
My son is a member of the "nuclear calvary." NNadir Apr 2023 #8
Would you tear them down if you could? Cover up the solar panels and tear down the windmills? Blues Heron Apr 2023 #10
I would let them rot in place, something they do rather quickly... NNadir Apr 2023 #11
Thanks for answering Blues Heron Apr 2023 #12
Not the barb you think it is. hunter Apr 2023 #16
It wasn't meant as a barb Blues Heron Apr 2023 #17
You're not on my "ignore" list. hunter Apr 2023 #18
In this case, the cure isn't worse than the disease Fiendish Thingy Apr 2023 #2
A very fine society might be built from common materials like concrete, steel, aluminum, plastic... hunter Apr 2023 #14
So true. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2023 #3
Count me in. The reactionary fantasy is making things worse, not better. NNadir Apr 2023 #6
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