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hunter

(40,742 posts)
4. What will save us?
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 01:31 AM
Apr 2023

Certainly not Elon Musk...

...or wind turbines.

Personally, I don't think wringing our hands and watching billions of people die is an ethical position.

The stupidity of affluent people is that they always imagine others doing the dying, which probably won't be the case because the most fragile economic systems are those that affluent people depend upon for their survival. Often their grim fantasies of death and destruction are strongly tainted by racism. It will be those other people who will die, not us, those people we don't happen to like.

When things get ugly you can't eat a Tesla, or easily turn it into a tractor...

There are better things than offshore wind turbines or vast acreages of desert solar panels to pin our hopes on.

We can turn our cities into attractive places where car ownership is unnecessary. We can quit industrial scale meat and dairy production, which isn't good for the environment, the workers, and most certainly the animals. Cheap milk and hamburger is not a human necessity. We can quit pretending biofuels are "sustainable" or "carbon neutral."

Most of all we need to recognize that this thing we now call "economic productivity" isn't any kind of productivity at all, but a direct measure of the damage we are doing to our planets natural environment and our own human spirit.

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I think as long as we can build these things we should Blues Heron Apr 2023 #1
What will save us? hunter Apr 2023 #4
I think anti solar and anti wind people are a big part of the problem Blues Heron Apr 2023 #5
There are many sorts of anti-solar and anti-wind people... hunter Apr 2023 #7
we have to live in the real world. Banning fossil fuels is not going to happen. Blues Heron Apr 2023 #9
A large part of me is still a crazy homeless guy living in a garden shed or my broken car... hunter Apr 2023 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Brenda Apr 2023 #15
Admiration for your minimalist lifestyle Finishline42 Apr 2023 #19
I fully recognize that antinukes would love to blame poor people for existing. NNadir Apr 2023 #20
Now do Megapacks Finishline42 Apr 2023 #21
Um...thanks for a QED. NNadir Apr 2023 #22
Yep, cobalt is mainly used for EV batteries Finishline42 Apr 2023 #23
There is now, and then there are people working to make things worse. NNadir Apr 2023 #24
DQIIIIIIII said... Finishline42 Apr 2023 #25
My son is a member of the "nuclear calvary." NNadir Apr 2023 #8
Would you tear them down if you could? Cover up the solar panels and tear down the windmills? Blues Heron Apr 2023 #10
I would let them rot in place, something they do rather quickly... NNadir Apr 2023 #11
Thanks for answering Blues Heron Apr 2023 #12
Not the barb you think it is. hunter Apr 2023 #16
It wasn't meant as a barb Blues Heron Apr 2023 #17
You're not on my "ignore" list. hunter Apr 2023 #18
In this case, the cure isn't worse than the disease Fiendish Thingy Apr 2023 #2
A very fine society might be built from common materials like concrete, steel, aluminum, plastic... hunter Apr 2023 #14
So true. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2023 #3
Count me in. The reactionary fantasy is making things worse, not better. NNadir Apr 2023 #6
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