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NNadir

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11. The rhetoric in the google result is rather nonsensical.
Sun Apr 30, 2023, 05:20 PM
Apr 2023

Last edited Sun Apr 30, 2023, 06:07 PM - Edit history (1)

A personal remark: Anyone who asks a question rather than reciting an inflexible dogmatic assertion about a topic about which they know very little, is not ditzy. Do not sell yourself short. I appreciate the question.

I recently gave a lecture to a scientific group touching on Hanford, built, in part, around things I learned when writing this (highly technical) post: 828 Underground Nuclear Tests, Plutonium Migration in Nevada, Dunning, Kruger, Strawmen, and Tunnels (It contains about 25 references to papers in the primary scientific literature.)

If Hanford is such a "disaster" one should at least be able to explain why Portland, Oregon, just down the river, has the highest life expectancy in the United States, or what environmental outcomes have been caused by radiation released from it. The people who live in Richland, Washington, the home of many of the scientists working at Hanford and at the marvelous Pacific Northwest Laboratory are leading useful productive lives. Where exactly is the death toll? Does every animal that roams in with the confines of the plant die a horrible death. Are the bird kills from radiation anywhere near the bird kills of the average wind industrial park?

I have a rather extensive journal on this website, and I've touched on why solar energy - despite popular enthusiasm for it - is a very dirty and expensive enterprise.

There are many reasons for this. One is the low energy to mass ratio; it takes a huge amount of chemical processing to produce a solar cell, including the energy to reduce silicon (or in other cases, metals) to their elemental state. This is generally undertaken by the use of heat, precisely that unreliable electricity cannot provide.

You will hear from the fools who support this enterprise about "EROI" "energy returned on energy invested." It is true that this is positive for solar junk, but it is not true enough.

A kilogram of plutonium contains about 80 trillion Joules when fully fissioned. This is the equivalent of 2,500 tons of coal, 21 rail cars full, 2,080 m3 crude oil (17,500 barrels, 2,080,000 liters, 730,000 gallons). One can easily understand why the solar industry is not sustainable by simply asking the mass required to produce 80 trillion joules in a single day. (A large nuclear reactor consumes a few kilos of fuel a day.)

The lifetime of solar cells is generally reported to be between 20 to 25 years. This means they all need to be replaced regularly. There's a lot of talk about recycling what they become - electronic waste - but almost no practical low energy industrial infrastructure to do so. It's all soothsaying. We cannot afford to live by reading crystal balls.

Each year, about 45 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide is added to the atmosphere. The majority of this, between 35 to 37 billion metric tons is dangerous fossil fuel waste, but the balance is from land use changes.

Huge stretches of land, some of it pristine wilderness, some of it farmland, are being industrialized to provide industrial parks for solar junk. It all needs to be installed by people carrying huge amounts of mass on trucks, serviced similarly, dismantled and hauled away (if not allowed to rot in place.)

The worst thing about the solar fantasy is its lack of reliability. Solar junk is subject to something called "night" as well as stuff called "snow" and things like "clouds," "dust" and the like. You'll hear a lot to excuse this awful reality from people who hype stuff like batteries and hydrogen and other very, very, very, very bad ideas.

Some of the most important scientific laws - laws not subject to repeal by legislators - are the laws of thermodynamics.

In the link in the OP to the situation at the Mauna Loa CO2 observatory data from this morning, is an account of how much money has been squandered on solar and wind this century. The results of this tragic waste of money and resources are in: The atmosphere is degrading faster than ever.

My journal here is filled with related commentary: NNadir's Journal

It can be overly technical, but it details my strong objections to the awful reactionary idea associated with so called "renewable energy." The very name, "renewable energy" is an oxymoron.

Thanks for your question.

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do you think anyone would be bothering if not for everyone asking those questions, tho? mopinko Apr 2023 #1
I agree with you on this Miguelito Loveless Apr 2023 #2
not me. u mean the op? mopinko Apr 2023 #7
Oops. Sorry Miguelito Loveless Apr 2023 #13
The fossil fuel industry dumps toxic and deadly waste into the atmosphere continuously. NNadir Apr 2023 #3
hey, i have all the same reservations about renewables as you mopinko Apr 2023 #9
Um, nuclear energy has the highest energy to mass ratio of any form of energy, by far. NNadir Apr 2023 #28
So you are/have been pro-nukular energy, if I understand correctly? 🤔 sprinkleeninow Apr 2023 #4
The solar industry depends on access to dangerous fossil fuels. It's dirty and unsustainable. NNadir Apr 2023 #5
The name Hanford rang a bell. I consulted the google. sprinkleeninow Apr 2023 #6
My local small town utility has a 5 MW PV solar array jpak Apr 2023 #10
This poster is quite pro-nuke Miguelito Loveless Apr 2023 #15
We have done battle on this forum for many many years - I know him well. jpak Apr 2023 #26
What DQIIIIIIII totally ignores is that the cost of electricity isn't a constant... Finishline42 May 2023 #32
The rhetoric in the google result is rather nonsensical. NNadir Apr 2023 #11
And it takes an enormous amount of coal-fired electricity to enrich uranium for reactor fuel jpak Apr 2023 #12
Centuries? Miguelito Loveless Apr 2023 #16
Yup jpak Apr 2023 #21
That's nonsense. NNadir Apr 2023 #18
More percent talk I suppose jpak Apr 2023 #19
"The lifetime of solar cells is generally reported to be between 20 to 25 years" Caribbeans Apr 2023 #22
It might be useful to open a scientific paper rather than continuously producing marketing documents NNadir Apr 2023 #24
More "percent talk" - that's a No-No ya know jpak Apr 2023 #25
I suppose that's why we had a (collapsing - lol) Atmospheric Test Ban Treaty jpak Apr 2023 #23
I have read and then considered your points. Appreciated. 👊 sprinkleeninow Apr 2023 #29
You're very welcome. Thanks for reading. N/t. NNadir May 2023 #31
Kim Jong-un agrees - lots of "valuable stuff" in spent fuel jpak Apr 2023 #8
It would be interesting to learn if there are any antinuke idiots who can demonstrate that... NNadir Apr 2023 #17
Plutonium could potentially solve the human overpopulation problem on the planet - yup jpak Apr 2023 #20
I agree with you on most of this, Miguelito Loveless Apr 2023 #14
I think Performance Art should be excluded from this Group. nt Brenda Apr 2023 #27
So should religion and climate change denial... hunter May 2023 #30
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