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NNadir

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28. Um, nuclear energy has the highest energy to mass ratio of any form of energy, by far.
Sun Apr 30, 2023, 08:01 PM
Apr 2023

If someone is really, really, really, really concerned about mining, they might do well to access the following scientific paper:

Closing the Infrastructure Gap for Decarbonization: The Case for an Integrated Mineral Supply Agreement Saleem H. Ali, Sophia Kalantzakos, Roderick Eggert, Roland Gauss, Constantine Karayannopoulos, Julie Klinger, Xiaoyu Pu, Kristin Vekasi, and Robert K. Perrons Environmental Science & Technology 2022 56 (22), 15280-15289

Here's figure 3 from the paper:



The caption:

Figure 3. Materials needed for different forms of power generation. Figure based on data from U.S. Department of Energy Quadrennial Energy Review 2015.


It might also be worthwhile to take a look at this article, not in a scientific journal, but illustrative nonetheless.

Data insight: the cost of a wind turbine has increased by 38% in two years

The reason for this price increase is appalling mass intensity.

I have argued that the uranium already mined, never mind the thorium mined and dumped in lanthanide mine tailings, is sufficient to power the entire world for over 150 years if converted to plutonium using nuclear reactors designed now to last 80 years.

Anyone who has a problem with mining should definitely have a problem with so called "renewable energy," the mass intensity, as the above graphic shows, makes its very name a cruel joke.

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do you think anyone would be bothering if not for everyone asking those questions, tho? mopinko Apr 2023 #1
I agree with you on this Miguelito Loveless Apr 2023 #2
not me. u mean the op? mopinko Apr 2023 #7
Oops. Sorry Miguelito Loveless Apr 2023 #13
The fossil fuel industry dumps toxic and deadly waste into the atmosphere continuously. NNadir Apr 2023 #3
hey, i have all the same reservations about renewables as you mopinko Apr 2023 #9
Um, nuclear energy has the highest energy to mass ratio of any form of energy, by far. NNadir Apr 2023 #28
So you are/have been pro-nukular energy, if I understand correctly? 🤔 sprinkleeninow Apr 2023 #4
The solar industry depends on access to dangerous fossil fuels. It's dirty and unsustainable. NNadir Apr 2023 #5
The name Hanford rang a bell. I consulted the google. sprinkleeninow Apr 2023 #6
My local small town utility has a 5 MW PV solar array jpak Apr 2023 #10
This poster is quite pro-nuke Miguelito Loveless Apr 2023 #15
We have done battle on this forum for many many years - I know him well. jpak Apr 2023 #26
What DQIIIIIIII totally ignores is that the cost of electricity isn't a constant... Finishline42 May 2023 #32
The rhetoric in the google result is rather nonsensical. NNadir Apr 2023 #11
And it takes an enormous amount of coal-fired electricity to enrich uranium for reactor fuel jpak Apr 2023 #12
Centuries? Miguelito Loveless Apr 2023 #16
Yup jpak Apr 2023 #21
That's nonsense. NNadir Apr 2023 #18
More percent talk I suppose jpak Apr 2023 #19
"The lifetime of solar cells is generally reported to be between 20 to 25 years" Caribbeans Apr 2023 #22
It might be useful to open a scientific paper rather than continuously producing marketing documents NNadir Apr 2023 #24
More "percent talk" - that's a No-No ya know jpak Apr 2023 #25
I suppose that's why we had a (collapsing - lol) Atmospheric Test Ban Treaty jpak Apr 2023 #23
I have read and then considered your points. Appreciated. 👊 sprinkleeninow Apr 2023 #29
You're very welcome. Thanks for reading. N/t. NNadir May 2023 #31
Kim Jong-un agrees - lots of "valuable stuff" in spent fuel jpak Apr 2023 #8
It would be interesting to learn if there are any antinuke idiots who can demonstrate that... NNadir Apr 2023 #17
Plutonium could potentially solve the human overpopulation problem on the planet - yup jpak Apr 2023 #20
I agree with you on most of this, Miguelito Loveless Apr 2023 #14
I think Performance Art should be excluded from this Group. nt Brenda Apr 2023 #27
So should religion and climate change denial... hunter May 2023 #30
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