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hunter

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30. So should religion and climate change denial...

Mon May 1, 2023, 01:14 AM

May 2023

I consider most "renewable energy" schemes just another flavor of climate change denial. Solar and wind power are not economically viable without fossil fuel "backup power," especially at the scales required to support all eight billion of us. In practice these schemes will only prolong our dependence on fossil fuels and do nothing, absolutely nothing, to reduce the total amount of greenhouse gasses that get dumped in the atmosphere.

If you figure about half the people in the world should simply suffer and die so you can celebrate your rural solar, wind, and hydropower schemes, well, that's not a religion I want to believe in.

Reality is that the people with the smallest environmental footprints tend to live in densely populated cities, eat mostly vegetarian diets, and don't own cars.

Your solar and wind fantasies are not going to save these people as the world burns, no matter how comfortable your affluent country lifestyle happens to be.

We must quit fossil fuels now.

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The world is waking up from a long stupid slumber... [View all] NNadir Apr 2023 OP

do you think anyone would be bothering if not for everyone asking those questions, tho? mopinko Apr 2023 #1

I agree with you on this Miguelito Loveless Apr 2023 #2

not me. u mean the op? mopinko Apr 2023 #7

Oops. Sorry Miguelito Loveless Apr 2023 #13

The fossil fuel industry dumps toxic and deadly waste into the atmosphere continuously. NNadir Apr 2023 #3

hey, i have all the same reservations about renewables as you mopinko Apr 2023 #9

Um, nuclear energy has the highest energy to mass ratio of any form of energy, by far. NNadir Apr 2023 #28

So you are/have been pro-nukular energy, if I understand correctly? 🤔 sprinkleeninow Apr 2023 #4

The solar industry depends on access to dangerous fossil fuels. It's dirty and unsustainable. NNadir Apr 2023 #5

The name Hanford rang a bell. I consulted the google. sprinkleeninow Apr 2023 #6

My local small town utility has a 5 MW PV solar array jpak Apr 2023 #10

This poster is quite pro-nuke Miguelito Loveless Apr 2023 #15

We have done battle on this forum for many many years - I know him well. jpak Apr 2023 #26

What DQIIIIIIII totally ignores is that the cost of electricity isn't a constant... Finishline42 May 2023 #32

The rhetoric in the google result is rather nonsensical. NNadir Apr 2023 #11

And it takes an enormous amount of coal-fired electricity to enrich uranium for reactor fuel jpak Apr 2023 #12

Centuries? Miguelito Loveless Apr 2023 #16

Yup jpak Apr 2023 #21

That's nonsense. NNadir Apr 2023 #18

More percent talk I suppose jpak Apr 2023 #19

"The lifetime of solar cells is generally reported to be between 20 to 25 years" Caribbeans Apr 2023 #22

It might be useful to open a scientific paper rather than continuously producing marketing documents NNadir Apr 2023 #24

More "percent talk" - that's a No-No ya know jpak Apr 2023 #25

I suppose that's why we had a (collapsing - lol) Atmospheric Test Ban Treaty jpak Apr 2023 #23

I have read and then considered your points. Appreciated. 👊 sprinkleeninow Apr 2023 #29

You're very welcome. Thanks for reading. N/t. NNadir May 2023 #31

Kim Jong-un agrees - lots of "valuable stuff" in spent fuel jpak Apr 2023 #8

It would be interesting to learn if there are any antinuke idiots who can demonstrate that... NNadir Apr 2023 #17

Plutonium could potentially solve the human overpopulation problem on the planet - yup jpak Apr 2023 #20

I agree with you on most of this, Miguelito Loveless Apr 2023 #14

I think Performance Art should be excluded from this Group. nt Brenda Apr 2023 #27

So should religion and climate change denial... hunter May 2023 #30