"How did we get a host?" a locked thread asks? Here is the answer.

[kristopher]

129. You have to be kidding.

Is that your view of how consensus building works? The first preferred position is the one that all individuals must adhere to throughout negotiations?
Are you seriously that naive to believe that this crap you are spewing has any sort of persuasive element to it at all?
I don't give a fig if I'm host - I just want a board where the nuclear clubs ongoing tactics at message control is stopped.

For example, no, Baggins, building out renewables DOES NOT lead to a massive increase in fossil fuel consumption.
That isn't an item we need to debate every time someone posts something good about renewable energy.

No Baggins, nuclear does not have the best safety record of all forms of power generation.
That isn't an item we need to debate every time someone posts something good about renewable energy.

No Baggins, nuclear power is not the cheapest source of power out there.
That isn't an item we need to debate every time someone posts something good about renewable energy.

No Baggins, nuclear power isn't the fastest way to respond to climate change.
That isn't an item we need to debate every time someone posts something good about renewable energy.

No Baggins, nuclear power isn't a "must have" in a noncarbon world.
That isn't an item we need to debate every time someone posts something good about renewable energy.


That is the issue. The unrelenting falsehoods and the lack of ability to hold a discussion on ANYTHING without it being hijacked by a nuclear proponent using a proven line of bullshit. All of the claims above are PROVEN false by the best scientific literature that is available, literature that - if it doesn't support the nuclear industry - is maligned and attacked with Rovian style smears and absolutely no substance.


Yes, I am sick of it. The behavior of the nuclear supporters is what it is. I say put you in your own pit and let you create whatever reality you want to try to spin. If that is what you think about me too, that's fine.
Let's petition together to create two Energy and Environment groups as suggested in the OP.