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marble falls

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15. Not one of which could handle the output of the wind generation here in Texas. 10 megawatts ain't ..
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 03:28 PM
Sep 2023

... ain't going to cut it for turbines that put and average two megawatts daily.

"Wind power in Texas, a portion of total energy in Texas, consists of over 150 wind farms, which together have a total nameplate capacity of over 30,000 MW. If Texas were a country, it would rank fifth in the world: The installed wind capacity in Texas exceeds installed wind capacity in all countries but China, the United States, Germany and India."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Texas

You do the math and then consider what it would take to monitor and tie these together.

There is NO practical off the shelf method for battery storage of wind generated electricity on the level Texas wind generation produces. If there were, the wind generation and oil companies would be all over it.


"Starting in 2008, the wind power development boom in Texas outstripped the capacity of the transmission systems in place,[19] and predicted shortages in transmission capability could have dampened the growth of the industry. Until 2008, the growth in wind power "piggybacked" on existing lines, but had almost depleted spare capacity.[20] As a result, in winter the west Texas grid often had such a local surplus of power, that the price would fall below zero.[21][22] According to Michael Goggin, electric industry analyst at AWEA, "Prices fell below US −$30/MWh (megawatt-hour) on 63% of days during the first half of 2008, compared to 10% for the same period in 2007 and 5% in 2006."[23]"

Do you think the energy producers are philanthropists who like generating free power????



"In July 2008, utility officials gave preliminary approval to a $4.9 billion plan to build new transmission lines to carry wind-generated electricity from West Texas to urban areas such as Dallas. The new plan would be the biggest investment in renewable energy in U.S. history, and would add transmission lines capable of moving about 18,000 megawatts.[24] ERCOT curtailed wind power by 17% (3.8 TWh) in 2009, but that decreased to only 0.5% by 2014, as transmission improved, particularly the Competitive Renewable Energy Zone (CREZ) in 2013.[25][26][27] However the CREZ lines are sometimes maxed out, and in November 2015, prices were negative for 50 hours. "

Did you get that? ERCOT cut Wind production by 17% because WIND WAS PRODUCING TOO MUCH ELECTRICITY. Just think: if they had practical battery storage and connection to the national power grid, they'd be getting paid for their surplus and provide for Texas when the weather almost breaks ERCOT down like this summer and winter two years ago.


"Future developments

Like several Texas solar plants, some Texas wind power plants include storage, with more projects under construction.[42] One of the first such energy storage systems started as 36 MW in Notrees in December 2012. The system allows excess wind energy to be stored, making the output more predictable and less variable.[43][44]

If developed, the Tres Amigas HVDC link to the Western grid and the Eastern grid could allow more flexibility in importing and exporting power to and from Texas.[45]

A 300 MW offshore wind farm is planned for Galveston, and 2,100 MW for the Gulf Coast of Texas.[46] Making turbines that are able to yaw quickly could make them more likely to be able to survive a hurricane.[47] "

See? Just like I said. The best storage they can get now is for 36 MW. They are trying to develop storage but it just is not available yet.


Get over it.



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Sounds good in theory, but... bcool Sep 2023 #1
Or... Think. Again. Sep 2023 #2
Texas wind produces so much power at night, it's given away for free. If we were on the national ... marble falls Sep 2023 #3
You could just store it for use the next day? Think. Again. Sep 2023 #4
If it could be "saved", they wouldn't be giving it away for free. marble falls Sep 2023 #5
Impossible to store... Think. Again. Sep 2023 #6
Odd because no one's doing it on the scale that nation's largest producer wind power can use, ... marble falls Sep 2023 #7
It's extremely practical... Think. Again. Sep 2023 #8
Really. Where's the equipment to do this? Seriously, the oil companies? The oil companies have ... marble falls Sep 2023 #9
Hi! just getting back to you.... Think. Again. Sep 2023 #10
That's the description. Now show me a company catologue of the batteries and other equipment ... marble falls Sep 2023 #11
Why are you fighting this so hard?.... Think. Again. Sep 2023 #12
Again: no examples of any city or electric provider using a battery storage system... marble falls Sep 2023 #13
Again: 60 examples of grid-scale energy storage systems.... Think. Again. Sep 2023 #14
Not one of which could handle the output of the wind generation here in Texas. 10 megawatts ain't .. marble falls Sep 2023 #15
You expect ONE... Think. Again. Sep 2023 #16
Who needs one? How about one with 100MW. The best that the wind industry has come ... marble falls Sep 2023 #18
yes... Think. Again. Sep 2023 #20
and... Think. Again. Sep 2023 #17
Post removed Post removed Sep 2023 #19
I don't understand this post. Think. Again. Sep 2023 #21
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