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In reply to the discussion: Geoengineering would turn blue skies whiter [View all]OKIsItJustMe
(22,024 posts)19. Even this scheme actually involves some expense
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_sulfate_aerosols_(geoengineering)#Delivery_methods
http://www.freakonomics.com/2011/09/02/finally-a-garden-hose-to-the-sky/
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[font size=4]Delivery methods[/font]
[font size=3]Various techniques have been proposed for delivering the aerosol precursor gases (H[font size="1"]2[/font]S and SO[font size="1"]2[/font]). The required altitude to enter the stratosphere is the height of the tropopause, which varies from 11 km (6.8 miles/36,000 feet) at the poles to 17 km (11 miles/58,000 feet) at the equator.
[font size=4]Delivery methods[/font]
[font size=3]Various techniques have been proposed for delivering the aerosol precursor gases (H[font size="1"]2[/font]S and SO[font size="1"]2[/font]). The required altitude to enter the stratosphere is the height of the tropopause, which varies from 11 km (6.8 miles/36,000 feet) at the poles to 17 km (11 miles/58,000 feet) at the equator.
- Aircraft such as the F15-C variant of the F-15 Eagle have the necessary flight ceiling, but limited payload. Military tanker aircraft such as the KC-135 Stratotanker and KC-10 Extender also have the necessary ceiling and have greater payload.
- Modified Artillery might have the necessary capability, but requires a polluting and expensive gunpowder charge to loft the payload.
- High-altitude balloons can be used to lift precursor gases, in tanks, bladders or in the balloons' envelope. Balloons can also be used to lift pipes and hoses, but no moored balloon has ever been deployed to the necessary altitude.
http://www.freakonomics.com/2011/09/02/finally-a-garden-hose-to-the-sky/
[font face=Serif][font size=5]Finally: A Garden Hose to the Sky[/font]
Freakonomics
09/02/2011 | 2:37 pm
[font size=3]Well, its actually happening. An idea reported extensively in SuperFreakonomics has come to fruition, and some mad scientists are getting their way (and a little government funding) to build a garden hose to the sky and potentially save the world by cooling it down.
A team of British researchers called SPICE (Stratospheric Particle Injection for Climate Engineering) is trying to pump particles of water into the atmosphere as a test run before moving onto sulfates and aerosols that would reflect sunlight away from earth, mimicking the aftereffect of a massive volcanic eruption. SPICE is building the garden hose at an undisclosed location, with £1.6 million in U.K. government funding and the backing of the Royal Society.
Check out Steven Levitt's interview with Jon Stewart from 2009, where he discusses the idea (beginning at about the 2:20 mark). And below, from SuperFreakonomics Illustrated, is a look at Intellectual Ventures plan to pump liquified sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere.

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Freakonomics
09/02/2011 | 2:37 pm
[font size=3]Well, its actually happening. An idea reported extensively in SuperFreakonomics has come to fruition, and some mad scientists are getting their way (and a little government funding) to build a garden hose to the sky and potentially save the world by cooling it down.
A team of British researchers called SPICE (Stratospheric Particle Injection for Climate Engineering) is trying to pump particles of water into the atmosphere as a test run before moving onto sulfates and aerosols that would reflect sunlight away from earth, mimicking the aftereffect of a massive volcanic eruption. SPICE is building the garden hose at an undisclosed location, with £1.6 million in U.K. government funding and the backing of the Royal Society.
Check out Steven Levitt's interview with Jon Stewart from 2009, where he discusses the idea (beginning at about the 2:20 mark). And below, from SuperFreakonomics Illustrated, is a look at Intellectual Ventures plan to pump liquified sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere.

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Nobody actually needs to SEE the stars. That's what we have satellites for...
GliderGuider
Jun 2012
#4
Mind you, this is just one scenario. (i.e. adding sufates to the upper atmosphere.)
OKIsItJustMe
Jun 2012
#6
Other schemes are not cheap. Global dimming happens for free* when you pollute.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#18
Aerosols are the cheapest way to do it, and thus is how it is going to be done.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#17