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OKIsItJustMe

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46. You really ought to say what you mean then
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 09:50 PM
Jun 2012

Producing fuel for a Thorium reactor is not as easy a task as it is made out to be by its supporters, nor is its product as clean:

http://world-nuclear.org/info/inf62.html

[font face=Serif][font size=5]Thorium[/font][font size=3]
  • Thorium is more abundant in nature than uranium.
  • It is fertile rather than fissile, and can be used in conjunction with fissile material as nuclear fuel.
  • Thorium fuels can breed fissile uranium-233.
The use of thorium as a new primary energy source has been a tantalizing prospect for many years. Extracting its latent energy value in a cost-effective manner remains a challenge, and will require considerable R&D investment.

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[font size=2]* The high cost of fuel fabrication is due partly to the high level of radioactivity that builds up in U-233 chemically separated from the irradiated thorium fuel. Separated U-233 is always contaminated with traces of U-232 which decays (with a 69-year half-life) to daughter nuclides such as thallium-208 that are high-energy gamma emitters. Although this confers proliferation resistance to the fuel cycle by making U-233 hard to handle and easy to detect, it results in increased costs. There are similar problems in recycling thorium itself due to highly radioactive Th-228 (an alpha emitter with two-year half life) present.[/font]

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Meanwhile hydrogen-boron fusion may be even better than we thought.

http://research.duke.edu/blog/2011/03/extra-alphas-fusion-energy
[font face=Serif]March 31, 2011

[font size=5]Overturned scientific explanation may be good news for nuclear fusion[/font]

[font size=3]Flat out wrong.

That’s what a team of Duke researchers has discovered, much to its surprise, about a long-accepted explanation of how nuclei collide to produce charged particles for electricity – a process receiving intense interest lately from scientists, entrepreneurs and policy makers in the wake of Japan’s nuclear crisis.

Plasma physicists have been trying for 25 years to create electricity from the fusion of boron and hydrogen atoms.

The new study says their efforts have been based on a misunderstanding of the underlying physics – although the error could end up actually helping those looking to fusion energy as an alternative energy source.

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http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.physletb.2010.12.015

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Thanks! OKIsItJustMe Jun 2012 #1
I know, it's really exciting. bananas Jun 2012 #2
Its not like Polywell hasnt had its bumps in the road FogerRox Jun 2012 #4
Going to Mars might be nice, although humans seem not to be really well suited for space travel OKIsItJustMe Jun 2012 #8
Building the next generation of industrial infrastructure FogerRox Jun 2012 #24
“mass coronial ejections” are actually a relatively minor concern in my book OKIsItJustMe Jun 2012 #30
Ah yes, I forgot, demineralization of bones FogerRox Jun 2012 #39
More than just deminieralization of bones OKIsItJustMe Jun 2012 #44
Its probably worth it to build FogerRox Jun 2012 #45
Space Studies Institute wants to launch a gravity lab into LEO near the ISS bananas Jun 2012 #50
2001 aside, I am skeptical of centrifuges OKIsItJustMe Jun 2012 #51
State of the current contract FogerRox Jun 2012 #3
Thanks for that timeline. nt bananas Jun 2012 #9
They claimed a working prototype would be around 5 years from 4 years ago. joshcryer Jun 2012 #12
What is your definition of prototype, which you feel they have not met? OKIsItJustMe Jun 2012 #15
OK, hit me up in 3 years. joshcryer Jun 2012 #17
Well the New E-guns, followed by more DD runs and diagnostics FogerRox Jun 2012 #26
Couple of points FogerRox Jun 2012 #20
Which brings us to the definitions of words OKIsItJustMe Jun 2012 #25
Yes definitions FogerRox Jun 2012 #31
I think this is where I got the 5 year figure: joshcryer Jun 2012 #33
Remember, Bussard recommended a much more aggressive development schedule (for $200 million) OKIsItJustMe Jun 2012 #38
I'm familiar with that video. joshcryer Jun 2012 #40
Polywell Updates (4/11/2014) --> 13 year old does Fusion. Was On Letterman Show. The Polywell Guy Apr 2014 #57
Are they going poly well? phantom power Jun 2012 #5
Polywell is basically in the same category as thorium. joshcryer Jun 2012 #6
I believe you are fundamentally incorrect. OKIsItJustMe Jun 2012 #7
I believe you have a fundamental comprehension issue. joshcryer Jun 2012 #11
“Polywell is basically in the same category as thorium. — Mostly pointless dreaming.” OKIsItJustMe Jun 2012 #14
It is in the mostly pointless dreaming category. joshcryer Jun 2012 #16
Interesting… OKIsItJustMe Jun 2012 #18
DoD / MIC spend lots of money on a lot of projects that don't succeed. joshcryer Jun 2012 #19
Uh huh… OKIsItJustMe Jun 2012 #21
Uh huh... joshcryer Jun 2012 #23
Honestly, you need to examine your logic OKIsItJustMe Jun 2012 #37
That's my reason for dropping out of the "Polywell scene." joshcryer Jun 2012 #41
Whats up Josh? FogerRox Jun 2012 #22
I came to a realization when reading some of the detractors' comments. joshcryer Jun 2012 #27
For what it's worth OKIsItJustMe Jun 2012 #28
Recession is currently having more an impact on emissions than wind. joshcryer Jun 2012 #29
So, you propose to do nothing then? Is that it? OKIsItJustMe Jun 2012 #34
No, I'm say stop tooting our own horns until you got something to toot about. joshcryer Jun 2012 #35
The reason I belatedly posted the update in E/E ... bananas Jun 2012 #43
I don't share Roger's view of "fission is bad." There are lots of waste products from fission. joshcryer Jun 2012 #48
"Expecting our technological society to shut down isn’t a realistic scenario" NickB79 Jun 2012 #36
What I'm saying, ultimately, is that if I were to post a "thorium update"... joshcryer Jun 2012 #42
You really ought to say what you mean then OKIsItJustMe Jun 2012 #46
I'm aware of the aneutronic aspects of pB11. That doesn't change the fact that... joshcryer Jun 2012 #47
“…no clue of how to make an alpha absorber…” OKIsItJustMe Jun 2012 #49
I think it can be done, I'm simply saying that if someone wanted to make a nuke... joshcryer Jun 2012 #52
Yup, off the shelf tech needs to roll out FogerRox Jun 2012 #32
New Jersey nuclear fusion firm ratchets up Iranian collaboration kristopher Jun 2012 #10
Eric Lerner? FogerRox Jun 2012 #13
The Polywell Blog, got some traffic from here The Polywell Guy Aug 2013 #53
Welcome to DU! bananas Aug 2013 #54
I'll have to extend a warm welcome to DU to you madokie Aug 2013 #55
Polywell Updates (2-3-2014) The Polywell Guy Feb 2014 #56
Polywell Updates (4/11/2014). 13 year old does Fusion. Was on Letterman. The Polywell Guy Apr 2014 #58
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