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kristopher

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2. That isn't true - "Cheap Coal Is Dead. Long Live Renewable Age (Part 1)"
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 08:12 PM
Jun 2012
"...In March, the power generating arm of India’s largest conglomerate, the Tata Group, announced that it was shifting its investment strategy from coal-fired thermal plants to wind and solar renewable projects. Coal projects, Tata said, were becoming “impossible” to develop, and investment in them had stopped.

With this declaration, one of Asia’s biggest energy players confirmed an emerging reality. The U.S., Europe, Russia, Australia and Japan all had created modern consumer economies dependent on abundant, cheap fossil-fuel energy. In the 21st century that is no longer viable; the high-carbon growth path is closing...."




Cheap Coal Is Dead. Long Live Renewable Age (Part 1)
By Carl Pope, Bloomberg
June 20, 2012

"Sustainable Energy for All" is the main theme for this week's Rio+20 United Nations gathering in Brazil. The challenge of making energy both accessible and sustainable has grown more complicated in the past year or so, and also more exciting. These are tough times for coal and other high-carbon sources of energy, while the news about clean energy is more promising.

In March, the power generating arm of India’s largest conglomerate, the Tata Group, announced that it was shifting its investment strategy from coal-fired thermal plants to wind and solar renewable projects. Coal projects, Tata said, were becoming “impossible” to develop, and investment in them had stopped.

With this declaration, one of Asia’s biggest energy players confirmed an emerging reality. The U.S., Europe, Russia, Australia and Japan all had created modern consumer economies dependent on abundant, cheap fossil-fuel energy. In the 21st century that is no longer viable; the high-carbon growth path is closing.

The reason is cost. Oil has long been expensive, because low-cost oil producers such as Saudi Arabia have learned to demand high prices by limiting supplies and refusing to sign long-term price agreements. Coal had always been different — traded locally, on both long-term concessions and short-term spot contracts. Two years ago, China and India could supplement their domestic coal supplies with imports from Indonesia, Australia and South Africa. Some of the cheapest coal mines serving China in 2010 were in Indonesia, where India’s Adani Power Ltd. and Tata were purchasing coal mines and building their own shipping and port facilities to ensure they could supply a wave of huge new power projects.

Geologically Abundant

While coal is geologically more abundant than oil, cheap coal, close to population centers, is not. The biggest ....



http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2012/06/cheap-coal-is-dead-long-live-renewable-age-part-1??cmpid=GeoNL-Thursday-June21-2012

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This is why rooftop solar in Germany doesn't mean anything in the big picture. GliderGuider Jun 2012 #1
That isn't true - "Cheap Coal Is Dead. Long Live Renewable Age (Part 1)" kristopher Jun 2012 #2
I'll believe it when I see it. GliderGuider Jun 2012 #3
What's the lifespan on a new coal-fired plant? NickB79 Jun 2012 #4
Renewables Make German Power Market Design Defunct, Utility Says kristopher Jun 2012 #5
That's an epic piece of greenwashing if I've ever seen it. joshcryer Jul 2012 #10
India's largest energy company drops coal and that's greenwashing? kristopher Jul 2012 #14
Largest private generating company; 2.5% of the total generating capacity muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #16
Do you think the economics of coal are better for the other companies? kristopher Jul 2012 #17
They may well be better for public generators muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #18
That information argues against your proposition kristopher Jul 2012 #19
My 'proposition' is that Tata is 2.5% of the market muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #20
I understood your meaning - the conclusion isn't correct. kristopher Jul 2012 #22
The shortage is because India isn't exploiting their own reserves to their maximum. joshcryer Jul 2012 #25
The shortage isn't "artificial" kristopher Jul 2012 #26
What year do you expect coal to be gone as a global energy source? XemaSab Jul 2012 #28
2150 is what Hubbert called the date for "Peak Coal" 2025 according in Energy Watch happyslug Jul 2012 #43
Then why did the Indian government take away that companies rights to mine? joshcryer Jul 2012 #32
India is not reducing their coal consumption. joshcryer Jul 2012 #24
"India grapples with coal shortages" kristopher Jul 2012 #27
India has close to 270 billion tons of coal. joshcryer Jul 2012 #33
How much of a dent do your solar panels make XemaSab Jul 2012 #12
In the meantime, I'm still sitting here waiting for more than a few token rooftop solar panels... Systematic Chaos Jul 2012 #13
Well then we better hope the US rescinds the "punitive" tariffs against Chinese PV companies. David__77 Jul 2012 #29
I must disagree OKIsItJustMe Jun 2012 #8
And those solar costs are still vastly higher is generally affordable. TheWraith Jul 2012 #15
“Germany is burning MORE coal now than before, not less.” OKIsItJustMe Jul 2012 #38
Did you know that Germany is getting rid of coal subsidies? - "Saarland coal exit" kristopher Jul 2012 #39
Yes, I had read that they were OKIsItJustMe Jul 2012 #40
And the administration is planning 6 huge coal ports pscot Jun 2012 #6
We're actually using less coal thanks to wind and efficiency. joshcryer Jul 2012 #11
We're also using less coal because our economy is in the crapper XemaSab Jul 2012 #21
That's true enough. joshcryer Jul 2012 #23
Peak coal hit the US in 1998, in terms of energy, 2002 in terms of volume happyslug Jul 2012 #44
Yeah, I'm quite familiar with that link. joshcryer Jul 2012 #45
Not sure why "advanced" is being used as a synonymn for "increased" here. eppur_se_muova Jun 2012 #7
Yep RobertEarl Jun 2012 #9
The growth comes mainly from China's increased use. David__77 Jul 2012 #30
The renewable portfolio includes a lot more than solar. kristopher Jul 2012 #31
That's good... David__77 Jul 2012 #34
India is building out its coal as well. Hundreds of new plants proposed or being built. joshcryer Jul 2012 #35
The non-OECD countries have DOUBLED their coal consumption since 2002 GliderGuider Jul 2012 #36
Non-OECD countries are the problem children of the global energy family GliderGuider Jul 2012 #37
Yikes. Look at how gas is far far outpacing renewables. joshcryer Jul 2012 #42
Coal is still extremely cheap and in non-OECD states a coal plant can be built quick. joshcryer Jul 2012 #41
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