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In reply to the discussion: global coal consumption has advanced by over 50% in the past decade [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(106,214 posts)18. They may well be better for public generators
who get preference from the state-run coal mining sector:
With a severe shortage of domestic coal supply as the state-run monopoly Coal India is unable to increase output, private utility Tata Power is scouting for coal mines overseas, particularly in Indonesia and South Africa, a senior company official said today.
"Given the demand for the fuel for our Power plants and shortage of domestically produced coal, we have to depend on imports. We are looking at Indonesia and South Africa for acquiring coal mines," Tata Power Executive Director (Operations) S Padmanabhan told in an interview here.
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2012-06-27/news/32441278_1_coal-mines-mundra-umpp-tata-power-executive-director
"Given the demand for the fuel for our Power plants and shortage of domestically produced coal, we have to depend on imports. We are looking at Indonesia and South Africa for acquiring coal mines," Tata Power Executive Director (Operations) S Padmanabhan told in an interview here.
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2012-06-27/news/32441278_1_coal-mines-mundra-umpp-tata-power-executive-director
As the 2nd Wikipedia article said, there are 2 state run generators bigger than Tata.
Even if India could improve its ports and already stretched railways, and adapt its power plants to burn alien coal, can it afford to import so much? Coal prices have soared in recent years (the benchmark price is some 50% above its average in 2009), partly due to Chinese demand. Indonesia has imposed new rules that hamper foreign mine owners from exporting coal at below market rates. So, adjusted for quality, foreign coal is perhaps four times pricier than the local stuff. The cost of shopping abroad could be as much as $20 billion by 2017or 1% of todays GDP.
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I can see if someone is sleeping on the job, boasts Arup Roy Choudhury, the chairman of NTPC, the countrys biggest electricity generator. In the floor above his office in Delhi a CCTV studio allows him to spy on his empire. He can zoom in on a giant construction site in Mouda, near those mines in Nagpur, where in March a new plant will fire up, fuelled by coal produced by Coal India. NTPC is likely to get the coal it needs partly because it is state-owned and big.
Another power firm in the same state with a new plant coming on line in March expects to get only half the fuel originally promised by Coal India. Private-sector firms with plants coming on line often assume they will be last in the queue for domestic fuel. If they substitute imported coal for domestic coal they worry that they may not be allowed to pass on the costs and that if they are, the electricity boards wont be able to pay.

http://www.economist.com/node/21543138
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I can see if someone is sleeping on the job, boasts Arup Roy Choudhury, the chairman of NTPC, the countrys biggest electricity generator. In the floor above his office in Delhi a CCTV studio allows him to spy on his empire. He can zoom in on a giant construction site in Mouda, near those mines in Nagpur, where in March a new plant will fire up, fuelled by coal produced by Coal India. NTPC is likely to get the coal it needs partly because it is state-owned and big.
Another power firm in the same state with a new plant coming on line in March expects to get only half the fuel originally promised by Coal India. Private-sector firms with plants coming on line often assume they will be last in the queue for domestic fuel. If they substitute imported coal for domestic coal they worry that they may not be allowed to pass on the costs and that if they are, the electricity boards wont be able to pay.

http://www.economist.com/node/21543138
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global coal consumption has advanced by over 50% in the past decade [View all]
phantom power
Jun 2012
OP
This is why rooftop solar in Germany doesn't mean anything in the big picture.
GliderGuider
Jun 2012
#1
Largest private generating company; 2.5% of the total generating capacity
muriel_volestrangler
Jul 2012
#16
The shortage is because India isn't exploiting their own reserves to their maximum.
joshcryer
Jul 2012
#25
2150 is what Hubbert called the date for "Peak Coal" 2025 according in Energy Watch
happyslug
Jul 2012
#43
In the meantime, I'm still sitting here waiting for more than a few token rooftop solar panels...
Systematic Chaos
Jul 2012
#13
Well then we better hope the US rescinds the "punitive" tariffs against Chinese PV companies.
David__77
Jul 2012
#29
Did you know that Germany is getting rid of coal subsidies? - "Saarland coal exit"
kristopher
Jul 2012
#39
Not sure why "advanced" is being used as a synonymn for "increased" here.
eppur_se_muova
Jun 2012
#7
India is building out its coal as well. Hundreds of new plants proposed or being built.
joshcryer
Jul 2012
#35
Coal is still extremely cheap and in non-OECD states a coal plant can be built quick.
joshcryer
Jul 2012
#41