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In reply to the discussion: global coal consumption has advanced by over 50% in the past decade [View all]happyslug
(14,779 posts)43. 2150 is what Hubbert called the date for "Peak Coal" 2025 according in Energy Watch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_coal
Hubbert's paper on Fossil fuel production, Go to page 21 to see his estimate on coal production, This paper is dated 1956
http://www.hubbertpeak.com/hubbert/1956/1956.pdf
In that 1956 Paper, Hubbert made two observations, first oil production in the lower 48 states would peak about 1970 as would Natural Gas production that was tied in with oil production.
Since the 1970s (and due to the Natural Gas crisis of the 1970s), natural gas production has separated from oil production. This has lead to increase Natural gas production. This was a concept Hubbert seems to have missed, but so did most people, my Father talked about his relative of the 1930s, "Coal Oil Johnny" who operated in Pennsylvania. "Coal Oil Johnny" would drill for oil, but find Natural Gas. Oil would have made his rich in the 1930s, Natural gas just paid for the next drilling site. That is how Natural Gas and Oil were related prior to the 1970s, Natural Gas was a by product of oil drilling. No one drilled for Natural Gas.
Thus a huge error on the Part of Hubbert as to Natural Gas, for Natural Gas can exist below 20,000 feet. At 20,000 feet the natural heat of the earth converts oil to Natural Gas. We could drill to 20,000 by 1937, thus Hubbert estimate as to oil was spot on. His estimate on Natural Gas was off.
Unlike Natural Gas, coal reserves were well known by 1956, thus Hubbert's estimate of 2150 for peak coal is still a good estimate. One problem with 2150 is that Coal is looking to be a replacement for oil, something Hubbert did not really count on (Hubbert relied on Nuclear power to replace oil in the 1956 paper).
Thus Energy Watch gives an estimate of 2025 in 2007
http://www.energywatchgroup.org/fileadmin/global/pdf/EWG_Report_Coal_10-07-2007ms.pdf
The USA, being the second largest producer, already passed peak production of high quality coal in 1990 in the Appalachian and the Illinois basin. Production of subbituminous coal in Wyoming more than compensated for this decline in terms of volume and according to its stated reserves this trend can continue for another 10 to 15 years. However, due to the lower energy content of subbituminous coal, US coal production in terms of energy already peaked 5 years ago it is unclear whether this trend can be reversed. Also specific productivity per miner has been declining since about 2000.
Hubbert's paper on Fossil fuel production, Go to page 21 to see his estimate on coal production, This paper is dated 1956
http://www.hubbertpeak.com/hubbert/1956/1956.pdf
In that 1956 Paper, Hubbert made two observations, first oil production in the lower 48 states would peak about 1970 as would Natural Gas production that was tied in with oil production.
Since the 1970s (and due to the Natural Gas crisis of the 1970s), natural gas production has separated from oil production. This has lead to increase Natural gas production. This was a concept Hubbert seems to have missed, but so did most people, my Father talked about his relative of the 1930s, "Coal Oil Johnny" who operated in Pennsylvania. "Coal Oil Johnny" would drill for oil, but find Natural Gas. Oil would have made his rich in the 1930s, Natural gas just paid for the next drilling site. That is how Natural Gas and Oil were related prior to the 1970s, Natural Gas was a by product of oil drilling. No one drilled for Natural Gas.
Thus a huge error on the Part of Hubbert as to Natural Gas, for Natural Gas can exist below 20,000 feet. At 20,000 feet the natural heat of the earth converts oil to Natural Gas. We could drill to 20,000 by 1937, thus Hubbert estimate as to oil was spot on. His estimate on Natural Gas was off.
Unlike Natural Gas, coal reserves were well known by 1956, thus Hubbert's estimate of 2150 for peak coal is still a good estimate. One problem with 2150 is that Coal is looking to be a replacement for oil, something Hubbert did not really count on (Hubbert relied on Nuclear power to replace oil in the 1956 paper).
Thus Energy Watch gives an estimate of 2025 in 2007
http://www.energywatchgroup.org/fileadmin/global/pdf/EWG_Report_Coal_10-07-2007ms.pdf
The USA, being the second largest producer, already passed peak production of high quality coal in 1990 in the Appalachian and the Illinois basin. Production of subbituminous coal in Wyoming more than compensated for this decline in terms of volume and according to its stated reserves this trend can continue for another 10 to 15 years. However, due to the lower energy content of subbituminous coal, US coal production in terms of energy already peaked 5 years ago it is unclear whether this trend can be reversed. Also specific productivity per miner has been declining since about 2000.
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global coal consumption has advanced by over 50% in the past decade [View all]
phantom power
Jun 2012
OP
This is why rooftop solar in Germany doesn't mean anything in the big picture.
GliderGuider
Jun 2012
#1
Largest private generating company; 2.5% of the total generating capacity
muriel_volestrangler
Jul 2012
#16
The shortage is because India isn't exploiting their own reserves to their maximum.
joshcryer
Jul 2012
#25
2150 is what Hubbert called the date for "Peak Coal" 2025 according in Energy Watch
happyslug
Jul 2012
#43
In the meantime, I'm still sitting here waiting for more than a few token rooftop solar panels...
Systematic Chaos
Jul 2012
#13
Well then we better hope the US rescinds the "punitive" tariffs against Chinese PV companies.
David__77
Jul 2012
#29
Did you know that Germany is getting rid of coal subsidies? - "Saarland coal exit"
kristopher
Jul 2012
#39
Not sure why "advanced" is being used as a synonymn for "increased" here.
eppur_se_muova
Jun 2012
#7
India is building out its coal as well. Hundreds of new plants proposed or being built.
joshcryer
Jul 2012
#35
Coal is still extremely cheap and in non-OECD states a coal plant can be built quick.
joshcryer
Jul 2012
#41