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GliderGuider

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42. There's also this possibility
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 07:43 AM
Jul 2012

Last edited Wed Jul 18, 2012, 08:18 AM - Edit history (3)

Consider the worldview of an activist for a moment.

For an activist, change is not only desirable but essential. The world is seen as not being OK as it is, it is always in need of improvement. In order to move toward improvement the world must be changed along the lines valued by the activist. Not to change means to stay mired forever in imperfection. The activist views this constant mutability, with the world being driven by human desires from a state of shortcoming towards a state of perfection, as the natural state of affairs. Driving that change is seen as a responsibility, even an obligation.

The view I have adopted is that the world is in fact perfect exactly as it is. If it was "meant" to be any other way, it would have been. In this view there is no need to drive change, change simply happens. The idea of having made mistakes in the past is seen as just that - an idea. Things happened as they did, and there's nothing that can be done in the present to change that. similarly, there's no need to work towards improvement in the future. Change will happen, we will play a role, but we don't direct the unfolding of the future.

Activists may see this view as passive, fatalistic and possibly even irresponsible. I see it as obvious. It may cause an activist pain to encounter this attitude, because it violates their carefully nurtured and deeply defended concepts of "should" and "shouldn't".

DU has a high population of activists.

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We are talking about pH here RobertEarl Jul 2012 #1
What's your point? The Doctor. Jul 2012 #3
Temps go up pH goes down, I wrote RobertEarl Jul 2012 #5
You're not the sharpest bulb on the chandelier, are ya? The Doctor. Jul 2012 #33
Hey Doc RobertEarl Jul 2012 #34
Yeah, pretty much what I figured. The Doctor. Jul 2012 #35
The oceans are heating at a rate of 190k 1GW nuclear power plants... joshcryer Jul 2012 #7
Ummmm RobertEarl Jul 2012 #8
Oops, my bad. I phrased that inaccurately. Here's Wikipedia's page: joshcryer Jul 2012 #9
Wikipedia says 7.5 to 8.4 for the pH of seawater <nt> caraher Jul 2012 #10
Thanks RobertEarl Jul 2012 #11
Which is why there are warm, basic pools in the southwest XemaSab Jul 2012 #24
We're in very deep shit. The Doctor. Jul 2012 #2
All of us here have lived to see the beginning of the catastrophe. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #4
Yep. joshcryer Jul 2012 #6
Acidification is increasing at ten times the rate that preceded the Paleocene-Eocene mass extinction GliderGuider Jul 2012 #12
And to think, much of it could have been prevented. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #13
We had plenty of warning, but GliderGuider Jul 2012 #14
What you see is what you get pscot Jul 2012 #15
"Party on Wayne!" GliderGuider Jul 2012 #16
I think maybe limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #19
Try 50 years ago dipsydoodle Jul 2012 #26
"Could" it have been prevented? The Doctor. Jul 2012 #36
Hmm. My answer is a resounding and absolute "No". GliderGuider Jul 2012 #38
You are confusing 'possible' with 'probable'. The Doctor. Jul 2012 #39
Actually, the reason why it was not prevented is very simple. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #40
Haven't we seen this before? RobertEarl Jul 2012 #41
There's also this possibility GliderGuider Jul 2012 #42
Are we ever going to really talk about world population? Gregorian Jul 2012 #17
No one is stopping you. What do you want to say? kristopher Jul 2012 #18
It's pretty obvious. Gregorian Jul 2012 #29
I was actually wanting to hear where you go from there kristopher Jul 2012 #30
Don't worry, the population will be finding itself savagely reduced soon enough. The Doctor. Jul 2012 #37
Get real RobertEarl Jul 2012 #20
If we all lived like the people in India did... GliderGuider Jul 2012 #21
Can't blame Indians RobertEarl Jul 2012 #22
To expand on that idea a bit more GliderGuider Jul 2012 #23
Just picking up on one phrase there ... Nihil Jul 2012 #25
Yes, you've put your finger on the problem. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #27
There was a documentary made about this problem NickB79 Jul 2012 #31
Don't be disingenuous, we're talking about modern living here. Gregorian Jul 2012 #28
disingenuous? RobertEarl Jul 2012 #32
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