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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
22. More Bullpuckey?
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:43 AM
Jul 2012

Virtually every claim you make here is, to put it politely, an 'outlier' in the world of science. You glom onto discredited junk science and treat it as if you were discovering something for the very first time when in fact all you are doing is National Inquirer 'Bat Boy' level science. You have more confused concepts than Sarah Palin.

Besides your reinvention of what Jevons is about, another example of confused concepts can be seen above in your claim that expanding energy use isn't a right wing premise. There is a huge body of extremely valid research showing that the economic structure behind centralized thermal generation (a system of centralized control favored by the right wing) is one of the primary culprits driving increased consumption of energy in the modern era. It's a fact that isn't in disputeexcept by self styled, totally uninformed people that have no actual grasp of the topic. It's the kind of talk that is commonly heard in barrooms when the 'immoderate preacher' type has had about two too many.

The evidence presented by OK in this thread overwhelms your position.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112714178

You give no evidence of even having read the material he provided and you obviously have no interest in changing your position. And no wonder either, since it is a stance that dovetails perfectly with your past efforts to surreptitiously promote nuclear power.

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The Paradox of Energy Efficiency [View all] GliderGuider Jul 2012 OP
Fossil fuel generated electricity won't be replaced by renewables. hunter Jul 2012 #1
Yes, I agree with you on all counts. Unfortunately... GliderGuider Jul 2012 #2
The fossil fuel industry won't die? Nederland Jul 2012 #6
Nope. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #7
Well history certainly supports you... kristopher Jul 2012 #9
Oh look - a trite, mindless cliche. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #10
GG is immune to historical evidence Nederland Jul 2012 #33
You know how we all laugh at people who say "This time it's different"? GliderGuider Jul 2012 #35
I take that to mean it will die when it runs out not so much that... joshcryer Jul 2012 #12
No Nederland Jul 2012 #32
You do me a disservice. I'm MUCH more pessimistic than that. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #34
For example, wind or solar cannot compete with inexpensive natural gas. hunter Jul 2012 #29
And that is precisely what the cited paper says. joshcryer Jul 2012 #13
Rush Limbaugh: Institute for Energy Research is "the energy equivalent of the Heritage Foundation" bananas Jul 2012 #3
Know your wingnuts: Institute for Energy Research bananas Jul 2012 #4
Who are these guys? Yet more polluter-funded front groups hit the climate scene bananas Jul 2012 #5
It's telling that none of your posts addressed the substance of the article. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #14
LOL - "lack of political purity" - it's a politically-pure right-wing front group. nt bananas Jul 2012 #18
That sounds oddly familiar. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #19
This from someone who says anything more than a couple of sentences is too long to read kristopher Jul 2012 #20
My objection is not to reading, as you know. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #21
More Bullpuckey? kristopher Jul 2012 #22
Wow. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #23
More like ... kristopher Jul 2012 #24
I find it helps to look on such interactions GliderGuider Jul 2012 #25
. XemaSab Jul 2012 #26
Actual science on display here: GliderGuider Jul 2012 #31
The efficiency is good, but of little value with increased consumerism and greed. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #8
The paper cited is correct, but they're arguing it from a poison pill POV. joshcryer Jul 2012 #11
What do you think would work to mitigate rebound? GliderGuider Jul 2012 #15
Socialism or high regulation. Rebound is a definite characteristic of capitalism. joshcryer Jul 2012 #16
Socialism and high regulation need to have this outcome as one of the goals. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #17
when all else fails invoke the USSR Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #28
Or you increase the fuel tax along with the efficiency requirements. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #27
Yes, the one mechanism that might work is a no-frills carbon tax. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #30
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