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GliderGuider

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34. You do me a disservice. I'm MUCH more pessimistic than that.
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 05:22 PM
Jul 2012

Here's a link to a dispassionate, well-reasoned analysis that was just published by David Korowicz:

Trade Off: Financial system supply-chain cross contagion (PDF)

It is argued that in order to understand systemic risk in the globalised economy, account must be taken of how growing complexity (interconnectedness, interdependence and the speed of processes), the de-localisation of production and concentration within key pillars of the globalised economy have magnified global vulnerability and opened up the possibility of a rapid and large-scale collapse. ‘Collapse’ in this sense means the irreversible loss of socio-economic complexity which fundamentally transforms the nature of the economy. These crucial issues have not been recognised by policy-makers nor are they reflected in economic thinking or modelling.

The point Korowicz makes, in 77 pages of "simple ideas drawn from ecology, systems dynamics, and the study of complex networks" is that our global enterprise is teetering on the brink, vulnerable to shocks starting in the financial system and amplified through the disruption of global supply chains. He makes a damn good case, and his analysis fleshes out what I think is the most probable near-term scenario.

If things begin to come apart in this way (which is my core assumption these days) then funding for all the shiny toys you talk about will simply evaporate as the world tries to keep the lights on and the food moving. In a situation like that, the world is going to stick with sunk-cost infrastructure until the rubble stops bouncing. No solar farms, no wind farms, just coal, oil and gas - not only because the infrastructure is there, but because all those jobs in the coal, oil and gas fields depend on it. And ain't nobody going to shut down those jobs so somebody somewhere else can try their hand at building a few wind turbines.

I encourage you to read the paper - it's a barn-burner. If nothing else it would give you a good idea of just how pessimistic I really am.

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The Paradox of Energy Efficiency [View all] GliderGuider Jul 2012 OP
Fossil fuel generated electricity won't be replaced by renewables. hunter Jul 2012 #1
Yes, I agree with you on all counts. Unfortunately... GliderGuider Jul 2012 #2
The fossil fuel industry won't die? Nederland Jul 2012 #6
Nope. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #7
Well history certainly supports you... kristopher Jul 2012 #9
Oh look - a trite, mindless cliche. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #10
GG is immune to historical evidence Nederland Jul 2012 #33
You know how we all laugh at people who say "This time it's different"? GliderGuider Jul 2012 #35
I take that to mean it will die when it runs out not so much that... joshcryer Jul 2012 #12
No Nederland Jul 2012 #32
You do me a disservice. I'm MUCH more pessimistic than that. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #34
For example, wind or solar cannot compete with inexpensive natural gas. hunter Jul 2012 #29
And that is precisely what the cited paper says. joshcryer Jul 2012 #13
Rush Limbaugh: Institute for Energy Research is "the energy equivalent of the Heritage Foundation" bananas Jul 2012 #3
Know your wingnuts: Institute for Energy Research bananas Jul 2012 #4
Who are these guys? Yet more polluter-funded front groups hit the climate scene bananas Jul 2012 #5
It's telling that none of your posts addressed the substance of the article. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #14
LOL - "lack of political purity" - it's a politically-pure right-wing front group. nt bananas Jul 2012 #18
That sounds oddly familiar. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #19
This from someone who says anything more than a couple of sentences is too long to read kristopher Jul 2012 #20
My objection is not to reading, as you know. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #21
More Bullpuckey? kristopher Jul 2012 #22
Wow. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #23
More like ... kristopher Jul 2012 #24
I find it helps to look on such interactions GliderGuider Jul 2012 #25
. XemaSab Jul 2012 #26
Actual science on display here: GliderGuider Jul 2012 #31
The efficiency is good, but of little value with increased consumerism and greed. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #8
The paper cited is correct, but they're arguing it from a poison pill POV. joshcryer Jul 2012 #11
What do you think would work to mitigate rebound? GliderGuider Jul 2012 #15
Socialism or high regulation. Rebound is a definite characteristic of capitalism. joshcryer Jul 2012 #16
Socialism and high regulation need to have this outcome as one of the goals. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #17
when all else fails invoke the USSR Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #28
Or you increase the fuel tax along with the efficiency requirements. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #27
Yes, the one mechanism that might work is a no-frills carbon tax. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #30
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