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longship

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2. And it is going to worse before it gets better.

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 03:55 PM

Sep 2012

These non-linear systems can change state quickly, or even go chaotic. Hansen seems to think that the climate has clicked into a new state.

For instance, the jet stream seems to have moved north this past season. That brought a record warm Arctic season and accompanied record ice melt, blasting previous years by a considerable margin. The number of alarming climate papers is stunning.

I know that President Obama has advisers who know about this, but I am not surprised that he hasn't said anything about it in the campaign. He wants to win and a pissing contest on climate might not be the best thing to do.

But he is going to have to address this soon, hopefully soon after the election. I hope.

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Bill McKibben: This is how the earth works now [View all] eridani Sep 2012 OP

This is terrifying. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #1

And it is going to worse before it gets better. longship Sep 2012 #2

Everything we're getting says that we're in a feedback loop now Hydra Sep 2012 #5

Too late? Heck No. This is our responsibility and we have to fix it. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #14

Can you lift a 10,000 lb weight with your bare arms? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #22

I hate to say this, but you ARE being defeatist. No two ways around it. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #28

How is your description of the future in any way different from the present? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #41

True, to an extent, but I was trying to ask you to imagine in a world where things are 100x worse... AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #46

I've been imagining that world since 2004. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #50

It's only a truly lost cause if we give up. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #71

As I say to all those with your perspective, fill your boots. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #72

Sure then. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #73

And you too. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #74

Meanwhile, notice the giant absence of info/news about Fukishima??? dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #8

No one alive today will see it get better. NickB79 Sep 2012 #11

Mlllenia is a bit of an exaggeration. A couple centuries is more realistic. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #16

I missed this before. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #56

I may be wrong, though. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #57

Thanks for clarifying that. I was getting worried. nt GliderGuider Sep 2012 #61

Can't really blame you. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #66

We are looking up at the cliff we have fallen off. Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #3

Just caught on a ledge. Downwinder Sep 2012 #4

Not even. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #24

Teabag Rapturists are cheering ErikJ Sep 2012 #6

The Corporate Media went go through this year spinning AGW as a Maybe... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #7

Sad but true. The hardcore doomer set didn't make things any easier for us, though, that's for sure. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #15

Let me ask you a question: Suppose we cut emissions world-wide by 50%... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #17

It would certainly depend on how soon we acted. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #20

A 50% reduction would decrease the rate of increase. It takes an 80% to 90% reduction to start.... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #21

Yes, your Senators aren't doomers, they're optimists. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #27

We're going to Green Wash climate change until it becomes unbearable... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #44

"It takes an 80% to 90% reduction to start.... a SLOW 100 to 1000 year recovery." AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #30

Here's three sources, starting with the IPCC... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #42

The last prediction actually seems to be highly pessimistic...... AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #48

Fine, as long as we address Reality and not some Green Washed version of Reality... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #63

I can actually agree with that in a way. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #64

It wasn't the doomers that kept you from acting. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #23

It's all your fault! RobertEarl Sep 2012 #26

Not the best rebuttal out there. Try again, please. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #31

I know you are scared RobertEarl Sep 2012 #33

I didn't say anything about McKibben. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #35

I asked you about Mckibben RobertEarl Sep 2012 #36

Wasn't my intent. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #37

What have I done? RobertEarl Sep 2012 #38

You didn't sound like a doomer to me. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #40

They may not have blocked the changes, that IS true. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #29

The reason that position is bullshite GliderGuider Sep 2012 #32

I'm afraid you're just not seeing the whole picture here. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #34

Links to my web site GliderGuider Sep 2012 #43

k and r niyad Sep 2012 #9

"July turned out to be the warmest month ever recorded in the United States, any month, any year." dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #10

Up here in Minnesota, we had exceptional blooms on the fruit trees NickB79 Sep 2012 #12

We don't have enough evidence to prove that yet. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #13

What would constitute "enough evidence" for you? dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #18

More summers like this year. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #19

Right. Just a few more summers like this year. Or last year. Systematic Chaos Sep 2012 #25

It may not be a coincidence, but I'm not ready to jump to any conclusions yet. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #39

We've kept wonderfully level heads since 1970. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #45

Most of us did, but not everybody. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #47

They will always find outliers to bolster their case. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #49

Only problem is, too much emotion doesn't help us stay focused. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #51

How do I define "walking away"? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #53

Interesting perspectives here. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #54

If you wish to see a transformation of human consciousness GliderGuider Sep 2012 #55

Been working on that. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #58

Absolutely! GliderGuider Sep 2012 #60

Sad subthreads within this thread bongbong Sep 2012 #52

What do you mean? AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #59

It would probably be good if you found another word besides "doomer" GliderGuider Sep 2012 #62

I suppose you're probably right, I have to honestly admit. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #65

Call them what they are. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #67

Good point. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #68

Well done! GliderGuider Sep 2012 #69

Thank you, and likewise. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #70