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GliderGuider

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23. It wasn't the doomers that kept you from acting.

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 07:49 PM

Sep 2012

It was the Average Joes. The ones who wanted better jobs, and new cars, and a better life for their 4 kids, and dropped math and chemistry and physics in high school because those subjects were hard and stupid and pointless - nothing to do with real life.

The "doomers" didn't block the changes. The "doomers" were the ones who rode buses and bicycles, remained childfree and knew chemistry and physics and math. They studied the chemistry and physics, and did the math 40 years ago. They said, "You know, if we keep doing this there's going to be big trouble just up ahead." Average Joe didn't listen then, and he ain't listening today.

We fucking well tried to warn you. And this is the shit you expect us to take in return? I don't fucking think so.

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Bill McKibben: This is how the earth works now [View all] eridani Sep 2012 OP

This is terrifying. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #1

And it is going to worse before it gets better. longship Sep 2012 #2

Everything we're getting says that we're in a feedback loop now Hydra Sep 2012 #5

Too late? Heck No. This is our responsibility and we have to fix it. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #14

Can you lift a 10,000 lb weight with your bare arms? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #22

I hate to say this, but you ARE being defeatist. No two ways around it. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #28

How is your description of the future in any way different from the present? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #41

True, to an extent, but I was trying to ask you to imagine in a world where things are 100x worse... AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #46

I've been imagining that world since 2004. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #50

It's only a truly lost cause if we give up. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #71

As I say to all those with your perspective, fill your boots. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #72

Sure then. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #73

And you too. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #74

Meanwhile, notice the giant absence of info/news about Fukishima??? dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #8

No one alive today will see it get better. NickB79 Sep 2012 #11

Mlllenia is a bit of an exaggeration. A couple centuries is more realistic. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #16

I missed this before. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #56

I may be wrong, though. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #57

Thanks for clarifying that. I was getting worried. nt GliderGuider Sep 2012 #61

Can't really blame you. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #66

We are looking up at the cliff we have fallen off. Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #3

Just caught on a ledge. Downwinder Sep 2012 #4

Not even. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #24

Teabag Rapturists are cheering ErikJ Sep 2012 #6

The Corporate Media went go through this year spinning AGW as a Maybe... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #7

Sad but true. The hardcore doomer set didn't make things any easier for us, though, that's for sure. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #15

Let me ask you a question: Suppose we cut emissions world-wide by 50%... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #17

It would certainly depend on how soon we acted. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #20

A 50% reduction would decrease the rate of increase. It takes an 80% to 90% reduction to start.... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #21

Yes, your Senators aren't doomers, they're optimists. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #27

We're going to Green Wash climate change until it becomes unbearable... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #44

"It takes an 80% to 90% reduction to start.... a SLOW 100 to 1000 year recovery." AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #30

Here's three sources, starting with the IPCC... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #42

The last prediction actually seems to be highly pessimistic...... AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #48

Fine, as long as we address Reality and not some Green Washed version of Reality... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #63

I can actually agree with that in a way. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #64

It wasn't the doomers that kept you from acting. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #23

It's all your fault! RobertEarl Sep 2012 #26

Not the best rebuttal out there. Try again, please. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #31

I know you are scared RobertEarl Sep 2012 #33

I didn't say anything about McKibben. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #35

I asked you about Mckibben RobertEarl Sep 2012 #36

Wasn't my intent. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #37

What have I done? RobertEarl Sep 2012 #38

You didn't sound like a doomer to me. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #40

They may not have blocked the changes, that IS true. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #29

The reason that position is bullshite GliderGuider Sep 2012 #32

I'm afraid you're just not seeing the whole picture here. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #34

Links to my web site GliderGuider Sep 2012 #43

k and r niyad Sep 2012 #9

"July turned out to be the warmest month ever recorded in the United States, any month, any year." dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #10

Up here in Minnesota, we had exceptional blooms on the fruit trees NickB79 Sep 2012 #12

We don't have enough evidence to prove that yet. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #13

What would constitute "enough evidence" for you? dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #18

More summers like this year. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #19

Right. Just a few more summers like this year. Or last year. Systematic Chaos Sep 2012 #25

It may not be a coincidence, but I'm not ready to jump to any conclusions yet. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #39

We've kept wonderfully level heads since 1970. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #45

Most of us did, but not everybody. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #47

They will always find outliers to bolster their case. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #49

Only problem is, too much emotion doesn't help us stay focused. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #51

How do I define "walking away"? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #53

Interesting perspectives here. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #54

If you wish to see a transformation of human consciousness GliderGuider Sep 2012 #55

Been working on that. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #58

Absolutely! GliderGuider Sep 2012 #60

Sad subthreads within this thread bongbong Sep 2012 #52

What do you mean? AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #59

It would probably be good if you found another word besides "doomer" GliderGuider Sep 2012 #62

I suppose you're probably right, I have to honestly admit. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #65

Call them what they are. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #67

Good point. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #68

Well done! GliderGuider Sep 2012 #69

Thank you, and likewise. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #70