Bill McKibben: This is how the earth works now

[AverageJoe90]

30. "It takes an 80% to 90% reduction to start.... a SLOW 100 to 1000 year recovery."

According to whom?

And what I call doomers, Junkdrawer, are those people who keep claiming that nothing can be done to fix anything, that Earth will turn into Venus, humanity will go extinct, etc. And guess what? The shoe fits. If you don't believe any of that, then I doubt you should be calling yourself one(I for one, would be insulted!).

We've moved to the point where the pain of really addressing the problem GREATLY exceeds the palpable reward - and the rewards won't be felt in anything like human scale time.

Again, says who? I seriously would not trust any source that made this claim, btw.....because every single bit of extreme pessimism has greatly helped the Koch Bros. and their ilk. It's a sad, and possibly unpopular around these parts, reality, but it's one we have to accept if we want to face the problems ahead.

Perhaps many of us may not live to see a complete and total return to normality. That I can live with. But throwing in the towel isn't going to do us any good, and guess what happens if we do? Then the worst-case scenarios may very well come to pass anyway....self-fulfilling prophecy. Instead of wringing our hands, let's keep pushing for change.