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GliderGuider

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32. The reason that position is bullshite
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:27 PM
Sep 2012

Is that before about 2005 there were no "doomers" claiming nothing could be fixed. From the 1960s on there were a lot of people claiming that if we didn't act right fucking now, things might not be fixable later on. That is the Chicken Little claim that Big Energy reframed as "doomerism" and tarred all the climate realists with - the claim that you apparently bought hook, line and sinker. Up until 2005 virtually all the guys like me were saying "Pitter patter, let's get at her!"

Then in about 2005 we all realized that nothing was fucking happening. Nobody was listening, nobody was changing, the climate summits were a litany of nada - just window dressing. A few people began to say we just might already be in that place we worried about earlier that we'd get to some time down the road - in a corner we couldn't get out of. As time went on, and more people had more time to investigate the root causes, those voices grew louder.

I've got almost 100 articles on my web site that detail why I think we're screwed, and mostly it comes down to the human brain and our cultural narrative. If we could change our cultural narrative we could act, but we'll only change it after the crisis hits - not before - because that's the way our brains are wired.

A lot of us have realized this, and it has caused us to abandon the path you're on - we've seen that it has no destination, and we understand why that is. But from the first Earth Day in 1970 up until half a dozen years ago, we were all true believers in Hope, because we hadn't yet figured out what was preventing change. We thought the somnolent paralysis was due to a lack of education, or a moral failure on the part of leadership or something equally facile and superficial - but something amenable to education or exhortation. It turns out that the reason is neither facile nor superficial, and it isn't amenable to being changed by anything short of a massive change in the world's physical circumstances. Its roots are buried in our reptilian and limbic brains. These are the parts of our brain that hold the self-aggrandizing qualities of leadership and the herding instincts that keep us all together - following our leaders and blinding our rational neocortex to the simple fact that those leaders are leading us over a cliff for their own gain, while we all cheer them on.

We can't fix it because the problem is not in how we act, but in why we act the way we do. Your deep-rooted desire to blame doomers is simply another manifestation of the problem. The problem isn't "doomers" - the problem is in every mirror in every bathroom on the planet.

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This is terrifying. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #1
And it is going to worse before it gets better. longship Sep 2012 #2
Everything we're getting says that we're in a feedback loop now Hydra Sep 2012 #5
Too late? Heck No. This is our responsibility and we have to fix it. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #14
Can you lift a 10,000 lb weight with your bare arms? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #22
I hate to say this, but you ARE being defeatist. No two ways around it. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #28
How is your description of the future in any way different from the present? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #41
True, to an extent, but I was trying to ask you to imagine in a world where things are 100x worse... AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #46
I've been imagining that world since 2004. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #50
It's only a truly lost cause if we give up. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #71
As I say to all those with your perspective, fill your boots. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #72
Sure then. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #73
And you too. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #74
Meanwhile, notice the giant absence of info/news about Fukishima??? dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #8
No one alive today will see it get better. NickB79 Sep 2012 #11
Mlllenia is a bit of an exaggeration. A couple centuries is more realistic. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #16
I missed this before. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #56
I may be wrong, though. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #57
Thanks for clarifying that. I was getting worried. nt GliderGuider Sep 2012 #61
Can't really blame you. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #66
We are looking up at the cliff we have fallen off. Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #3
Just caught on a ledge. Downwinder Sep 2012 #4
Not even. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #24
Teabag Rapturists are cheering ErikJ Sep 2012 #6
The Corporate Media went go through this year spinning AGW as a Maybe... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #7
Sad but true. The hardcore doomer set didn't make things any easier for us, though, that's for sure. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #15
Let me ask you a question: Suppose we cut emissions world-wide by 50%... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #17
It would certainly depend on how soon we acted. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #20
A 50% reduction would decrease the rate of increase. It takes an 80% to 90% reduction to start.... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #21
Yes, your Senators aren't doomers, they're optimists. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #27
We're going to Green Wash climate change until it becomes unbearable... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #44
"It takes an 80% to 90% reduction to start.... a SLOW 100 to 1000 year recovery." AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #30
Here's three sources, starting with the IPCC... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #42
The last prediction actually seems to be highly pessimistic...... AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #48
Fine, as long as we address Reality and not some Green Washed version of Reality... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #63
I can actually agree with that in a way. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #64
It wasn't the doomers that kept you from acting. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #23
It's all your fault! RobertEarl Sep 2012 #26
Not the best rebuttal out there. Try again, please. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #31
I know you are scared RobertEarl Sep 2012 #33
I didn't say anything about McKibben. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #35
I asked you about Mckibben RobertEarl Sep 2012 #36
Wasn't my intent. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #37
What have I done? RobertEarl Sep 2012 #38
You didn't sound like a doomer to me. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #40
They may not have blocked the changes, that IS true. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #29
The reason that position is bullshite GliderGuider Sep 2012 #32
I'm afraid you're just not seeing the whole picture here. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #34
Links to my web site GliderGuider Sep 2012 #43
k and r niyad Sep 2012 #9
"July turned out to be the warmest month ever recorded in the United States, any month, any year." dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #10
Up here in Minnesota, we had exceptional blooms on the fruit trees NickB79 Sep 2012 #12
We don't have enough evidence to prove that yet. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #13
What would constitute "enough evidence" for you? dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #18
More summers like this year. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #19
Right. Just a few more summers like this year. Or last year. Systematic Chaos Sep 2012 #25
It may not be a coincidence, but I'm not ready to jump to any conclusions yet. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #39
We've kept wonderfully level heads since 1970. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #45
Most of us did, but not everybody. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #47
They will always find outliers to bolster their case. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #49
Only problem is, too much emotion doesn't help us stay focused. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #51
How do I define "walking away"? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #53
Interesting perspectives here. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #54
If you wish to see a transformation of human consciousness GliderGuider Sep 2012 #55
Been working on that. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #58
Absolutely! GliderGuider Sep 2012 #60
Sad subthreads within this thread bongbong Sep 2012 #52
What do you mean? AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #59
It would probably be good if you found another word besides "doomer" GliderGuider Sep 2012 #62
I suppose you're probably right, I have to honestly admit. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #65
Call them what they are. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #67
Good point. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #68
Well done! GliderGuider Sep 2012 #69
Thank you, and likewise. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #70
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