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Junkdrawer

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42. Here's three sources, starting with the IPCC...
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 06:52 AM
Sep 2012


FAQ 10.3, Figure 1. (a) Simulated changes in atmospheric CO2 concentration relative to the present-day for emissions stabilized at the current level (black), or at 10% (red), 30% (green), 50% (dark blue) and 100% (light blue) lower than the current level; (b) as in (a) for a trace gas with a lifetime of 120 years, driven by natural and anthropogenic fluxes; and (c) as in (a) for a trace gas with a lifetime of 12 years, driven by only anthropogenic fluxes.

https://www.ipcc.unibe.ch/publications/wg1-ar4/faq/wg1_faq-10.3.html


Stabilizing Climate requires Near-Zero Emissions

Reposted from ScienceDaily (Feb. 18, 2008) Now that scientists have reached a consensus that carbon dioxide emissions from human activities are the major cause of global warming, the next question is: How can we stop it? Can we just cut back on carbon, or do we need to go cold turkey? According to a new study by scientists at the Carnegie Institution, halfway measures won’t do the job. To stabilize our planet’s climate, we need to find ways to kick the carbon habit altogether.

In the study, to be published in Geophysical Research Letters, climate scientists Ken Caldeira and Damon Matthews used an Earth system model at the Carnegie Institution’s Department of Global Ecology to simulate the response of the Earth’s climate to different levels of carbon dioxide emission over the next 500 years. The model, a sophisticated computer program developed at the University of Victoria, Canada, takes into account the flow of heat between the atmosphere and oceans, as well as other factors such as the uptake of carbon dioxide by land vegetation, in its calculations.

This is the first peer-reviewed study to investigate what level of carbon dioxide emission would be needed to prevent further warming of our planet.

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With emissions set to zero in the simulations, the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere slowly fell as carbon “sinks” such as the oceans and land vegetation absorbed the gas. Surprisingly, however, the model predicted that global temperatures would remain high for at least 500 years after carbon dioxide emissions ceased.

Just as an iron skillet will stay hot and keep cooking after the stove burner’s turned off, heat held in the oceans will keep the climate warm even as the heating effect of greenhouse gases diminishes. Adding more greenhouse gases, even at a rate lower than today, would worsen the situation and the effects would persist for centuries.

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http://co2now.org/Future-CO2/Targets/stabilizing-climate-requires-near-zero-emissions.html



NOAA stunner: Climate change “largely irreversible for 1000 years,” with permanent Dust Bowls in Southwest and around the globe


Important new research led by NOAA scientists, “Irreversible climate change because of carbon dioxide emissions,” finds:

…the climate change that is taking place because of increases in carbon dioxide concentration is largely irreversible for 1,000 years after emissions stop…. Among illustrative irreversible impacts that should be expected if atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations increase from current levels near 385 parts per million by volume (ppmv) to a peak of 450-600 ppmv over the coming century are irreversible dry-season rainfall reductions in several regions comparable to those of the ”dust bowl” era and inexorable sea level rise.

I guess this is what President Obama meant when he warned today of “irreversible catastrophe” from climate change. The NOAA press release is here. An excellent video interview of the lead author is here.

The Proceedings of the National Academies of Science paper gives the lie to the notion that it is a moral choice not to do everything humanly possible to prevent this tragedy, a lie to the notion that we can “adapt” to climate change, unless by “adapt” you mean “force the next 50 generations to endure endless misery because we were too damn greedy to give up 0.1% of our GDP each year” (see, for instance, McKinsey: Stabilizing at 450 ppm has a net cost near zero or the 2007 IPCC report).

The most important finding concerns the irreversible precipitation changes we will be forcing on the next 50 generations in the U.S. Southwest, Southeast Asia, Eastern South America, Western Australia, Southern Europe, Southern Africa, and northern Africa (see also US Geological Survey stunner: SW faces “permanent drying” by 2050 and links below)

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2009/01/26/203610/noaa-climate-change-irreversible-1000-years-drought-dust-bowls/


I could go on and on and on....

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This is terrifying. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #1
And it is going to worse before it gets better. longship Sep 2012 #2
Everything we're getting says that we're in a feedback loop now Hydra Sep 2012 #5
Too late? Heck No. This is our responsibility and we have to fix it. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #14
Can you lift a 10,000 lb weight with your bare arms? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #22
I hate to say this, but you ARE being defeatist. No two ways around it. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #28
How is your description of the future in any way different from the present? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #41
True, to an extent, but I was trying to ask you to imagine in a world where things are 100x worse... AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #46
I've been imagining that world since 2004. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #50
It's only a truly lost cause if we give up. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #71
As I say to all those with your perspective, fill your boots. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #72
Sure then. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #73
And you too. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #74
Meanwhile, notice the giant absence of info/news about Fukishima??? dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #8
No one alive today will see it get better. NickB79 Sep 2012 #11
Mlllenia is a bit of an exaggeration. A couple centuries is more realistic. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #16
I missed this before. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #56
I may be wrong, though. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #57
Thanks for clarifying that. I was getting worried. nt GliderGuider Sep 2012 #61
Can't really blame you. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #66
We are looking up at the cliff we have fallen off. Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #3
Just caught on a ledge. Downwinder Sep 2012 #4
Not even. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #24
Teabag Rapturists are cheering ErikJ Sep 2012 #6
The Corporate Media went go through this year spinning AGW as a Maybe... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #7
Sad but true. The hardcore doomer set didn't make things any easier for us, though, that's for sure. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #15
Let me ask you a question: Suppose we cut emissions world-wide by 50%... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #17
It would certainly depend on how soon we acted. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #20
A 50% reduction would decrease the rate of increase. It takes an 80% to 90% reduction to start.... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #21
Yes, your Senators aren't doomers, they're optimists. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #27
We're going to Green Wash climate change until it becomes unbearable... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #44
"It takes an 80% to 90% reduction to start.... a SLOW 100 to 1000 year recovery." AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #30
Here's three sources, starting with the IPCC... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #42
The last prediction actually seems to be highly pessimistic...... AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #48
Fine, as long as we address Reality and not some Green Washed version of Reality... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #63
I can actually agree with that in a way. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #64
It wasn't the doomers that kept you from acting. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #23
It's all your fault! RobertEarl Sep 2012 #26
Not the best rebuttal out there. Try again, please. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #31
I know you are scared RobertEarl Sep 2012 #33
I didn't say anything about McKibben. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #35
I asked you about Mckibben RobertEarl Sep 2012 #36
Wasn't my intent. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #37
What have I done? RobertEarl Sep 2012 #38
You didn't sound like a doomer to me. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #40
They may not have blocked the changes, that IS true. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #29
The reason that position is bullshite GliderGuider Sep 2012 #32
I'm afraid you're just not seeing the whole picture here. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #34
Links to my web site GliderGuider Sep 2012 #43
k and r niyad Sep 2012 #9
"July turned out to be the warmest month ever recorded in the United States, any month, any year." dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #10
Up here in Minnesota, we had exceptional blooms on the fruit trees NickB79 Sep 2012 #12
We don't have enough evidence to prove that yet. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #13
What would constitute "enough evidence" for you? dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #18
More summers like this year. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #19
Right. Just a few more summers like this year. Or last year. Systematic Chaos Sep 2012 #25
It may not be a coincidence, but I'm not ready to jump to any conclusions yet. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #39
We've kept wonderfully level heads since 1970. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #45
Most of us did, but not everybody. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #47
They will always find outliers to bolster their case. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #49
Only problem is, too much emotion doesn't help us stay focused. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #51
How do I define "walking away"? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #53
Interesting perspectives here. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #54
If you wish to see a transformation of human consciousness GliderGuider Sep 2012 #55
Been working on that. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #58
Absolutely! GliderGuider Sep 2012 #60
Sad subthreads within this thread bongbong Sep 2012 #52
What do you mean? AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #59
It would probably be good if you found another word besides "doomer" GliderGuider Sep 2012 #62
I suppose you're probably right, I have to honestly admit. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #65
Call them what they are. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #67
Good point. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #68
Well done! GliderGuider Sep 2012 #69
Thank you, and likewise. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #70
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