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GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
67. Call them what they are.
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 06:51 PM
Sep 2012

Assholes.

I was thinking more about this on the bus home just now, and I realized a lot of the problem here stemmed from language. Maybe a careful discussion of terminology and usage is in order. As much for my own clarity as anything, I'd like to take a stab at it.

There is a large(ish) group of people who believe that the human experience has passed some kind of bifurcation point, and that rapid, irreversible, entropic social and ecological change is underway with much more to come. There are many differing ideas about what that bifurcation point might be, the nature of the changes we are entering, how deep the decline might be, what aspects of it can be stopped or reversed, and what the appropriate responses might be. One fairly common meme in this group is that unbridled material/economic growth and a refusal to recognize limits play a large role in the unfolding events.

Of course, the ideas of slowing or stopping economic growth and respecting limits are anathema to TPTB, so they had to find a way to marginalize these people and keep such ideas out of the public square if at all possible. This was urgent, because the evidence was beginning to pile up that these people were right.

TPTB looked at this proto-movement and discovered some vulnerabilities. One was the respect we pay to the fundamentals of Malthusian theory (essentially the recognition that infinite growth in a finite environment is impossible), as well as to the Club of Rome's LtG study of 1971. Then the Peak Oil movement came along, and the combination of that stream of thought with a smattering of complex systems theory made many of us aware of the possibility that a rapid decline in oil production could be extremely damaging to a high-energy society that uses oil as a keystone resource.

A few people (I'll name Matt Savinar, Richard Duncan and Jay Hanson but there were some others - including me from about 2004 to 2008) started talking about the potential for a complete rupture of civilization due to Peak Oil, with an ensuing die-off back to a billion people or less within a short period of time. This was the extreme outer edge of the movement, but it was just visible enough that TPTB could use it as a meme. The word "Doomer" was born, usually coupled with this picture of the "End of the World" guy to drive the point home:

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This identification was used to brand everyone who subscribed to a reduced-growth paradigm - no matter how mild - as a crazy, apocalyptic doomer.

Unfortunately for TPTB, no matter how much blunt-force propaganda trauma they inflicted on the "Malthusian hippies", the evidence continued to accumulate. Eventually there was enough of it that the scientists began to speak out (they'd been silenced by the earlier onslaught of marginalization). As more scientific evidence made its way into public view, a lot of people who previously hadn't been extremist in their views began to realize that the chances the "doomers" could be right was growing every day.

At some point, the doomers themselves repatriated the word as an affectionate shibboleth - an ironic recognition sign. This has echoes of the way blacks repatriated the "N-word".

Many of us have gone through long processes of painful discovery about the real nature of the world we're living in compared to what we'd been told it was. We have endured endless derision and marginalization at the hands of those in power, as well as their minions, fellow travelers and useful idiots. All through this dark night there was the realization that the evidence was on our side. Now the evidence is beginning to pour out from every corner of the scientific world, and the badge of "Doomer" carries a lot of pride for those of us who held fast to our knowledge of the truth.

So when someone comes along and begins using "doomer" here in its old, dark, pejorative sense ... well, it's as though a clueless white man walked into a ghetto bar, went up to a group of young black men at a table and said somewhat aggressively, "Whassup, n*****s?"

When you use that word here, it's best to use it with an ironic, affectionate smile. Call those other guys "extremists" or "apocalyptics" or something, but keep in mind that the problem many of them like Malthus and Meadows and Hubbert had, was that they were right on the wrong side just a bit too early.

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This is terrifying. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #1
And it is going to worse before it gets better. longship Sep 2012 #2
Everything we're getting says that we're in a feedback loop now Hydra Sep 2012 #5
Too late? Heck No. This is our responsibility and we have to fix it. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #14
Can you lift a 10,000 lb weight with your bare arms? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #22
I hate to say this, but you ARE being defeatist. No two ways around it. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #28
How is your description of the future in any way different from the present? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #41
True, to an extent, but I was trying to ask you to imagine in a world where things are 100x worse... AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #46
I've been imagining that world since 2004. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #50
It's only a truly lost cause if we give up. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #71
As I say to all those with your perspective, fill your boots. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #72
Sure then. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #73
And you too. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #74
Meanwhile, notice the giant absence of info/news about Fukishima??? dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #8
No one alive today will see it get better. NickB79 Sep 2012 #11
Mlllenia is a bit of an exaggeration. A couple centuries is more realistic. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #16
I missed this before. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #56
I may be wrong, though. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #57
Thanks for clarifying that. I was getting worried. nt GliderGuider Sep 2012 #61
Can't really blame you. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #66
We are looking up at the cliff we have fallen off. Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #3
Just caught on a ledge. Downwinder Sep 2012 #4
Not even. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #24
Teabag Rapturists are cheering ErikJ Sep 2012 #6
The Corporate Media went go through this year spinning AGW as a Maybe... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #7
Sad but true. The hardcore doomer set didn't make things any easier for us, though, that's for sure. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #15
Let me ask you a question: Suppose we cut emissions world-wide by 50%... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #17
It would certainly depend on how soon we acted. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #20
A 50% reduction would decrease the rate of increase. It takes an 80% to 90% reduction to start.... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #21
Yes, your Senators aren't doomers, they're optimists. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #27
We're going to Green Wash climate change until it becomes unbearable... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #44
"It takes an 80% to 90% reduction to start.... a SLOW 100 to 1000 year recovery." AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #30
Here's three sources, starting with the IPCC... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #42
The last prediction actually seems to be highly pessimistic...... AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #48
Fine, as long as we address Reality and not some Green Washed version of Reality... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #63
I can actually agree with that in a way. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #64
It wasn't the doomers that kept you from acting. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #23
It's all your fault! RobertEarl Sep 2012 #26
Not the best rebuttal out there. Try again, please. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #31
I know you are scared RobertEarl Sep 2012 #33
I didn't say anything about McKibben. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #35
I asked you about Mckibben RobertEarl Sep 2012 #36
Wasn't my intent. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #37
What have I done? RobertEarl Sep 2012 #38
You didn't sound like a doomer to me. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #40
They may not have blocked the changes, that IS true. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #29
The reason that position is bullshite GliderGuider Sep 2012 #32
I'm afraid you're just not seeing the whole picture here. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #34
Links to my web site GliderGuider Sep 2012 #43
k and r niyad Sep 2012 #9
"July turned out to be the warmest month ever recorded in the United States, any month, any year." dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #10
Up here in Minnesota, we had exceptional blooms on the fruit trees NickB79 Sep 2012 #12
We don't have enough evidence to prove that yet. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #13
What would constitute "enough evidence" for you? dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #18
More summers like this year. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #19
Right. Just a few more summers like this year. Or last year. Systematic Chaos Sep 2012 #25
It may not be a coincidence, but I'm not ready to jump to any conclusions yet. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #39
We've kept wonderfully level heads since 1970. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #45
Most of us did, but not everybody. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #47
They will always find outliers to bolster their case. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #49
Only problem is, too much emotion doesn't help us stay focused. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #51
How do I define "walking away"? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #53
Interesting perspectives here. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #54
If you wish to see a transformation of human consciousness GliderGuider Sep 2012 #55
Been working on that. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #58
Absolutely! GliderGuider Sep 2012 #60
Sad subthreads within this thread bongbong Sep 2012 #52
What do you mean? AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #59
It would probably be good if you found another word besides "doomer" GliderGuider Sep 2012 #62
I suppose you're probably right, I have to honestly admit. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #65
Call them what they are. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #67
Good point. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #68
Well done! GliderGuider Sep 2012 #69
Thank you, and likewise. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #70
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