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20. Gapminder
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 02:11 PM
Oct 2012
http://www.gapminder.org/ is Hans Rosling's site that integrates graphics and data. I can't begin to count the number of hours I've spent mousing around there. You probably already know about it, but I'm sure others do not.

One thing I really like about it and find most useful is the ability to easily track each nation through time. More often than not the results can be complex, or puzzling, or counter-intuitive. Sometimes nations seem to be drawn to an universally optimum level, as with lifespan, and other times variables seem to be culturally dependent.

Whether health and longevity either leads or follows economic development seems to be less important than the existence of the programs themselves. It's the old soap, water, vaccines, and calories argument, and it's convincing. Population increases, but the rate of increase declines. Decrease in infant mortality comes after the overall decline in mortality.

What drives population down significantly isn't economic disruption as much as society-wide warfare sufficient to disrupt the soap-water-vaccine-calories infrastructure. The example you have of the Soviet Union shows up clearly in a log-log plot of child mortality and pop growth. China too. The collection of countries in the lower left of that plot is pretty interesting, i.e. what do Japan, Serbia, Iceland, and Cuba have in common?

The site's pretty interesting for looking at historical CO2 by nation as well, but that's for another post.

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Wrong on every level. lalalu Oct 2012 #1
Thanks for your input. GliderGuider Oct 2012 #2
Chernobyl Might Have Had a Significant Impact on Those Figures AndyTiedye Oct 2012 #3
If you can find some evidence I'd love to see it. GliderGuider Oct 2012 #5
I am not sure about your point and lalalu Oct 2012 #4
It would be quite a stretch to extend your idea not only to cprise Oct 2012 #10
Different regions have different demographic influences. GliderGuider Oct 2012 #11
+100 mjrr_595 Oct 2012 #18
Thank You lalalu Oct 2012 #19
Sounds like "The Underminers" may be on the right track. Speck Tater Oct 2012 #6
Thanks, I hadn't run across it before. GliderGuider Oct 2012 #8
"various saturation effects (as seen in Western Europe and Japan)" deserves more examination muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #7
The sorts of saturation effects I'm thinking about GliderGuider Oct 2012 #9
Consumption of refined oil products in Italy fell 14.8 percent year-on-year tama Oct 2012 #12
Three main factors tama Oct 2012 #13
Yes. As economic collapse progresses I think we'll see GliderGuider Oct 2012 #14
OK tama Oct 2012 #15
Energy is just one factor, of course. GliderGuider Oct 2012 #16
Russia is interesting tama Oct 2012 #17
I finally got around to reading Orlov on Kropotkin and anarchism - fabulous series. GliderGuider Oct 2012 #23
Yi Quan tama Nov 2012 #24
Gapminder Iterate Oct 2012 #20
This is fascinating PATRICK Oct 2012 #21
Thanks! I think this is a good way of looking at the situation GliderGuider Oct 2012 #22
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