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PATRICK

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21. This is fascinating
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 02:18 PM
Oct 2012

and is yet another way of looking at the large picture. We are going to hit a default ecological crisis adjustment in everything in the expanded biosphere. We can cope with that as isolated groups or let it roll over us since our civilization settings are going to clash with the full consequences.

Fundamental power structures and attitudes, stronger than the stark fear of actual consequences will make this crisis "tragic". There are "optimistic" scientists talking the same things and recognizing the futility of coping with our unsynchronized-with-reality economy/political structure. Which even mutes media and science to a disastrous dumbing down of survival reasoning.

Sauve qui peut. That is what the rich are/will be planning at everyone's expense who tries to bail the sinking Titanic. But we have immense capabilities locked away in phony debt pyramids and extreme waste of labor and production. Immense abilities in innovative science and engineering- repressed. A lot of people will transition from clinging to self-destructive maintenance of a doomed status quo to a despairing apocalypse. Real choices like that are simply not presented to the people. Real sacrifice or real work to live in a default realignment of the climate is not allowed to be seen, talked about or done. Meaningless money rules for the apocalypse. No wonder the whacko religionists love this omega power though every religion in essence preaches against Mammon. In any event, everything phony is the same. Money pyramids over the mummies of the race.

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Wrong on every level. lalalu Oct 2012 #1
Thanks for your input. GliderGuider Oct 2012 #2
Chernobyl Might Have Had a Significant Impact on Those Figures AndyTiedye Oct 2012 #3
If you can find some evidence I'd love to see it. GliderGuider Oct 2012 #5
I am not sure about your point and lalalu Oct 2012 #4
It would be quite a stretch to extend your idea not only to cprise Oct 2012 #10
Different regions have different demographic influences. GliderGuider Oct 2012 #11
+100 mjrr_595 Oct 2012 #18
Thank You lalalu Oct 2012 #19
Sounds like "The Underminers" may be on the right track. Speck Tater Oct 2012 #6
Thanks, I hadn't run across it before. GliderGuider Oct 2012 #8
"various saturation effects (as seen in Western Europe and Japan)" deserves more examination muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #7
The sorts of saturation effects I'm thinking about GliderGuider Oct 2012 #9
Consumption of refined oil products in Italy fell 14.8 percent year-on-year tama Oct 2012 #12
Three main factors tama Oct 2012 #13
Yes. As economic collapse progresses I think we'll see GliderGuider Oct 2012 #14
OK tama Oct 2012 #15
Energy is just one factor, of course. GliderGuider Oct 2012 #16
Russia is interesting tama Oct 2012 #17
I finally got around to reading Orlov on Kropotkin and anarchism - fabulous series. GliderGuider Oct 2012 #23
Yi Quan tama Nov 2012 #24
Gapminder Iterate Oct 2012 #20
This is fascinating PATRICK Oct 2012 #21
Thanks! I think this is a good way of looking at the situation GliderGuider Oct 2012 #22
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