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GliderGuider

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4. I love the smell of truth...

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 09:18 PM

Nov 2012

If we don't do it voluntarily, it will happen anyway. And since there isn't a chance in hell we will do it voluntarily, we'll get our chance in hell.

More people are having their "Oh shit!" moments in public now. A little late, but it is nice to see people waking the fuck up.

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Tyndall Center Director Anderson: Rapid Emissions Reduction Hard: 4-6C Far, Far Worse [View all] hatrack Nov 2012 OP

Ungrowth: the new paradigm. pscot Nov 2012 #1

Not only can we not have economic growth, ... CRH Nov 2012 #2

You don't need to eliminate growth to help fix the problem. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #5

Can you point to one program or event that has reduced global CO2 emissions, ... CRH Nov 2012 #10

CRH, you don't get it. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #18

I think it is you who needs to wake up, ... CRH Nov 2012 #42

I think we got off on a bad footing here. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #47

If more people catch on to what is really needed, NoOneMan Nov 2012 #3

True, but artifically stopping growth isn't amongst the solutions. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #6

Everyone is causing the problem NoOneMan Nov 2012 #8

It doesn't really work like that. The 1% hoards and MORE energy gets used. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #17

Supply-Side, Trickle-Down Economics is false NoOneMan Nov 2012 #26

I never said Trickle-Down was plausible. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #29

"The 1% hoards and MORE energy gets used." NoOneMan Nov 2012 #33

Maybe. I just don't have the faith that it'll necessarily be true, though. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #50

Why red flags? NoOneMan Nov 2012 #52

"Why is shutting down the global economy such a terrible thing?" AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #54

I am talking about an organized decline globally NoOneMan Nov 2012 #55

False hope? AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #56

false hope is saying we can consume energy to fix an over-consumption problem NoOneMan Nov 2012 #57

I love the smell of truth... GliderGuider Nov 2012 #4

Good article. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #7

Consuming less has been a substantial factor in emission reductions during the recession NoOneMan Nov 2012 #9

Yes, but if true, this was more extreme luck than anything else. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #19

That assumes that humans will always exploit all available energy and negate surplus NoOneMan Nov 2012 #24

What's all this spiel about 'infinite' growth, anyway? AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #25

That is civilization's driving goal NoOneMan Nov 2012 #28

Both the article and the comments are deeply flawed IMO. GliderGuider Nov 2012 #11

I feel one of the "fake" solutions is a real solution NoOneMan Nov 2012 #12

Every realistic idea I've seen so far... GliderGuider Nov 2012 #13

But that could change NoOneMan Nov 2012 #14

No doubt it will GliderGuider Nov 2012 #15

Hi GG, I don' t have much time but let me take a shot, ... CRH Nov 2012 #16

I agree as far as it goes GliderGuider Nov 2012 #21

Wealth is a cultural construct and quite alien to many pre-agricultural societies NoOneMan Nov 2012 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author CRH Nov 2012 #59

Here is my kooky, quasi theory: NoOneMan Nov 2012 #22

That's a very well-appointed rabbit hole you live in. GliderGuider Nov 2012 #27

Quick question: NoOneMan Nov 2012 #31

Well, here's one example: GliderGuider Nov 2012 #35

Hey you two, the posts in this mini thread, 21-35, ... CRH Nov 2012 #60

You're welcome, I guess. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #61

Pessimism is understandable. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #30

Bouncing back doesn't necessarily include humans bouncing with it FYI NoOneMan Nov 2012 #32

Actually, it kinda does. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #37

The thing about the aftermath of Toba is this: GliderGuider Nov 2012 #39

Re: "The resources of the planet were entirely undepleted." AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #40

How do you know? GliderGuider Nov 2012 #43

Well. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #46

You have so much faith in the ability of humans to rebuild after complete collapse NoOneMan Nov 2012 #45

Of course, it IS more complex than that, BUT........ AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #48

I see little difference anymore between these lines of thought: NoOneMan Nov 2012 #49

Cheat Sheet Answers: Number one is an outright liar and Number Two isn't even short-sighted. =) AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #51

Increased efficiency means more available energy, meaning cheaper energy, resulting in more growth NoOneMan Nov 2012 #53

Two quick thoughts GliderGuider Nov 2012 #34

An interesting way of putting things, I suppose. n/t AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #36

We're not hitting 10*C by 2100, especially not if we get things done. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #20

Bank on the business as usual scenario, ... CRH Nov 2012 #38

My response. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #41

A bit of exaggeration in parts, don't you think? ... CRH Nov 2012 #44

Just a quick comment to everyone who posted overnight (since about reply #10) ... Nihil Nov 2012 #58

Heh, no prob I guess. =) AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #62