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NoOneMan

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22. Here is my kooky, quasi theory:
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 04:57 PM
Nov 2012

Firstly, it is clear that humans have instincts that promote beneficial behaviors that help them survive. We instinctually eat to store energy (creating minor euphoria) and breed to spread genetics (creating large euphoria), even in the absence of culture. Likewise, we have negative instinctual reactions to make us not engage in certain behaviors. Studies have shown that newborns avoid heights and have negative reactions to pictures of mutilation. There are simply residual feelings we have that show us how to live from birth.

I posit that there is distinct, common forgotten instinct that we have stopped listening to (but its still there); an instinct that tells humans how to belong to nature and live sustainably in harmony with the natural systems. Perhaps its the same instinct that governs how animals behave, as we can observe that they only take what they need to survive efficiently and propagate (if they did not, they would die off--thereby showing how this basic drive could be evolutionarily selected). In fact, it would follow that any animal that is alive would have this instinct or their overshoot and habit destruction would have eliminated them.

Now, it is proven the viewing nature scenes (or being in nature) elicits euphoric responses in the human brain and encourages feelings of harmony and community. This is also labeled, in studies, as a "spiritual" feeling for lack of a better description; whatever we call "it", most humans feel it in nature--being there elicits a unique neurological response that can induce behavior. You can also easily induce this same "spiritual" type of neurological response with LSD and psilocybin: you as an individual fades, and you belong in harmony to a whole, which you wish to promote and revel in. It is this great positive reinforcing response to being in nature that promotes us to act beneficially to it, as a member of it.

Now, to bring this back to human development, we didn't just decide to stop listening to an instinct (as that is nearly impossible). Instead, I believe that at some point in human development something manifested that hijacked this instinct and dictated to humans that it didn't mean what they thought it did; namely, religion. Religion has systematically tried to destroy many human instincts in an attempt to edify our "souls" and abandon our natural, limiting bodies. Just a single look at ascetic behaviors that have had humans fasting, refusing sex and embracing pain clearly illustrate this tendency. Then it is no great leap to suggest that the neurological response we call "spritiality" has been reinterpreted by religion so that humans no longer act on this instinct to be in harmony with nature; instead, it is now viewed as a powerful human signal used to transcend the very bounds of nature.

We know that the original agriculturalists were not simply farmers; they were also zealous warriors and priests. But their religious practices were distinctive in that they were not pantheists or animists, but rather, they were monotheists. Agriculturalists not only demonstrated a mastery of nature (rather than being confined by it), they developed a new-found belief system that solved any cognitive dissonance a harmonious "spiritual" instinct would have caused. To be an agriculturalist, you have to not only cultivate nature, but the very nature of mankind. And as history has shown, those who refused to embrace the very notion that *they* owned the earth were systematically destroyed.

Humans didn't change genetically. Controlling nature allowed a few assholes with a bad idea to spread it or kill everyone who refused, so that they could obtain more energy today to fuel their growth tomorrow (forever). It wasn't the moment they planted that first seed (as native Americans were agro-forestry farmers too), but rather, it was the moment they abandoned their instinctual feelings in order to reconcile their cognitive dissonance (they wanted to know why they were an exception and the explanation of God giving the earth to them seemed like the best answer). Once the early agriculturalists realized they controlled nature, a belief system manifested to allow them to continue and control the sustainability instinct that would have stopped them. From there, its history.

So you speak of moving forward, and my answer to that is for humanity to once again get in touch with their instincts to live sustainably, in harmony with nature. If we can accomplish this (which involves a mass rejection of modern religion & culture, and perhaps even a resistance to atheism which can repudiate a necessary Pantheistic outlook), we are one step close to accepting a simpler world and seeing the value of nature without iPads. Humans must embrace their instinctual feelings of harmony with the natural system and begin to see themselves as a part of an incredible and awesome universe that we are not the center of. Even if there isn't more in the sense of the "divine", our brains are prime to see the universe in this manner so we should embrace it in the name of existence.

Or perhaps I've jumped down the rabbit hole one too many times on my drugged-up outdoor fishing excursions. I've just transitioned to a mental state where everything I have need & enjoy is out there and not a part of this artificial system of unnatural growth, and these are the conclusions I've come to in a few years of getting back in touch

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Ungrowth: the new paradigm. pscot Nov 2012 #1
Not only can we not have economic growth, ... CRH Nov 2012 #2
You don't need to eliminate growth to help fix the problem. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #5
Can you point to one program or event that has reduced global CO2 emissions, ... CRH Nov 2012 #10
CRH, you don't get it. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #18
I think it is you who needs to wake up, ... CRH Nov 2012 #42
I think we got off on a bad footing here. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #47
If more people catch on to what is really needed, NoOneMan Nov 2012 #3
True, but artifically stopping growth isn't amongst the solutions. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #6
Everyone is causing the problem NoOneMan Nov 2012 #8
It doesn't really work like that. The 1% hoards and MORE energy gets used. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #17
Supply-Side, Trickle-Down Economics is false NoOneMan Nov 2012 #26
I never said Trickle-Down was plausible. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #29
"The 1% hoards and MORE energy gets used." NoOneMan Nov 2012 #33
Maybe. I just don't have the faith that it'll necessarily be true, though. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #50
Why red flags? NoOneMan Nov 2012 #52
"Why is shutting down the global economy such a terrible thing?" AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #54
I am talking about an organized decline globally NoOneMan Nov 2012 #55
False hope? AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #56
false hope is saying we can consume energy to fix an over-consumption problem NoOneMan Nov 2012 #57
I love the smell of truth... GliderGuider Nov 2012 #4
Good article. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #7
Consuming less has been a substantial factor in emission reductions during the recession NoOneMan Nov 2012 #9
Yes, but if true, this was more extreme luck than anything else. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #19
That assumes that humans will always exploit all available energy and negate surplus NoOneMan Nov 2012 #24
What's all this spiel about 'infinite' growth, anyway? AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #25
That is civilization's driving goal NoOneMan Nov 2012 #28
Both the article and the comments are deeply flawed IMO. GliderGuider Nov 2012 #11
I feel one of the "fake" solutions is a real solution NoOneMan Nov 2012 #12
Every realistic idea I've seen so far... GliderGuider Nov 2012 #13
But that could change NoOneMan Nov 2012 #14
No doubt it will GliderGuider Nov 2012 #15
Hi GG, I don' t have much time but let me take a shot, ... CRH Nov 2012 #16
I agree as far as it goes GliderGuider Nov 2012 #21
Wealth is a cultural construct and quite alien to many pre-agricultural societies NoOneMan Nov 2012 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author CRH Nov 2012 #59
Here is my kooky, quasi theory: NoOneMan Nov 2012 #22
That's a very well-appointed rabbit hole you live in. GliderGuider Nov 2012 #27
Quick question: NoOneMan Nov 2012 #31
Well, here's one example: GliderGuider Nov 2012 #35
Hey you two, the posts in this mini thread, 21-35, ... CRH Nov 2012 #60
You're welcome, I guess. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #61
Pessimism is understandable. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #30
Bouncing back doesn't necessarily include humans bouncing with it FYI NoOneMan Nov 2012 #32
Actually, it kinda does. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #37
The thing about the aftermath of Toba is this: GliderGuider Nov 2012 #39
Re: "The resources of the planet were entirely undepleted." AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #40
How do you know? GliderGuider Nov 2012 #43
Well. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #46
You have so much faith in the ability of humans to rebuild after complete collapse NoOneMan Nov 2012 #45
Of course, it IS more complex than that, BUT........ AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #48
I see little difference anymore between these lines of thought: NoOneMan Nov 2012 #49
Cheat Sheet Answers: Number one is an outright liar and Number Two isn't even short-sighted. =) AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #51
Increased efficiency means more available energy, meaning cheaper energy, resulting in more growth NoOneMan Nov 2012 #53
Two quick thoughts GliderGuider Nov 2012 #34
An interesting way of putting things, I suppose. n/t AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #36
We're not hitting 10*C by 2100, especially not if we get things done. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #20
Bank on the business as usual scenario, ... CRH Nov 2012 #38
My response. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #41
A bit of exaggeration in parts, don't you think? ... CRH Nov 2012 #44
Just a quick comment to everyone who posted overnight (since about reply #10) ... Nihil Nov 2012 #58
Heh, no prob I guess. =) AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #62
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