Tyndall Center Director Anderson: Rapid Emissions Reduction Hard: 4-6C Far, Far Worse

[AverageJoe90]

47. I think we got off on a bad footing here.

1. I am not Booker, so discard your straw man.

Didn't say you were. What I'm trying to say, though, is that we gotta stop falling into these traps because it really does hurt us in the long run.

2. Running out of time, hell yes look at the tipping points we have already passed.

And?

3. In the last 45 years how much progress have you seen in moving toward a carbon free civilization? Hell politically we can't even pass a 1% global annual emissions reduction, socially we can't get the majority to recycle, use mass transit, or buy less toys.

4. Renewables cannot come close to supporting industry, and without industry your precious growth crumbles.

I'd like to refer back to the S.S. article.

5. The economy most certainly would stagnate with only a 2 -3 % annual reduction in CO2 emissions, it is why governments refuse to pass any binding resolutions providing limits.

See what I mean? These are traps we have to avoid falling into.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-too-hard.htm

6.It is you who consistently infers, incorrectly, that all will be well if we only shift our priorities and develop green energy in the coming decades. Your claims of my fantasy are a very weak straw man that misrepresents all the posts I have written, and destroys your own credibility.

No. I have stated, in fact, that we do need to permanently shift away from dirty energy & towards clean energy. All I have said is that less consumption just won't do much good by itself, as noble as such efforts may be.

7. You consistently blame the 1% for all the problems while sticking your head in the sand about the other 99% consuming and polluting without regard. These are your relatives, your neighbors, and your country men, yet you can no more change what they are doing than change your own consuming reality. But instead of admitting your situation, you want to invent your way out of your reality. So, don't tell me I need to wake up.

I'm not really trying to deflect ALL blame from people. There are some people who really are ignorant enough to remain inefficient just to stick it to "dem librulz", etc. And frankly, many of them can't be helped much. But many people simply aren't informed enough about the issues, and once they are, most will do what they can to make their lives more efficient, such as trying to use less gas, less electricity, etc.

But more than anything, we DO face a conspiracy in the form of Big Oil/Coal/Gas lobbyists, and people like the Koch Bros. who are just so obsessed with their profits that they'll do anything to keep the cash flowing. And once we get that out of the way, it will be significantly less difficult to move towards a better world. We will have jumped a major hurdle.

8. Baked in emissions have already past 2% an will continue to rise as the tipping points already past continue to influence warming. Get used to it.

TBH, we really don't know that at this point. Could it happen? Yes. But is it? As far as the evidence says, around 2*C is probably baked in at this point barring carbon sequestration, but not really much more than that.

9. Save your booker and other spam, you are sure to need it with the future you most certainly have helped to create, and help to sustain.

I'm sorry you think that.

OK, I dunno. It's very possible we may have misunderstood each other here, and if so, perhaps I should apologize, though I think any further discussion is probably best relegated to PMs and such.