"It's worse than we thought." Sound familiar?

[joshcryer]

35. I'm not a doomer either. I'm a goddamn alarmist.

I am a technologist. I think we have the capacity as an intelligent species to fix the issues.

The problem is that I see no evidence that we're going to do that. Thus the alarmism. We're not working toward any reasonable solution and we're diving head long into oblivion.

What's disagreeable about your petulant position is you refuse to accept that as it stands now nothing of substance is being done about the catastrophe that humanity is facing.

I would disagree with GG on some points. I think that after a mass die off human civilization will recover (he appears to think the die off will be bigger than I suggest; thus rendering civilization a historical footnote; I can't be sure how big the die off will be but I cannot say it won't happen, because there is no evidence we're going to be prepared for the coming climate and energy crisis, no evidence whatsoever).

You can't actually back up your position because in reality you have no facts to back you up. It's just a feeling you have. That's OK. We all have our feelings. But get down to the nitty gritty of the science and you'll see that we're looking at a new world famine, water shortages, and energy shortages, it's not going to be pretty.

They'll spend billions trying to get at the shale. I still maintain that, but I have since realized it won't be enough. Climate change is going to be the factor that, coupled with peak oil, is going to lead to a massive die off. The timing sucks hard for humanity, particularly as we continue on the path that we are.