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In reply to the discussion: "It's worse than we thought." Sound familiar? [View all]AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)73. Okay, here's one scenario.
I think that this scenario is unavoidable, that people have the right to be psychologically prepared for it, and that people like Light and McPherson and I have not only the right but a responsibility to talk about it.
I wouldn't quite disagree, except for McPherson's woefully idiotic "16*C by 2100" gaffes and Malcolm P.R. Light's "Life will be extinct by mid-century" B.S.. There's legitimately preparing people for the worst, and then there's downright fearmongering; Light and McPherson, have been doing the latter, even if not intentionally.
Hemp is great for smoking, but it suffers from massive problems of scale when compared to the 12 million tonnes of oil, 21 million tonnes of coal and 8 million tonnes of natural gas we consume each and every day. We consume 15 billion tonnes of fossil fuels per year. Hemp yields 4 tonnes of biomass and between 15 and 100 gallons (0.3 to 2.5 bbl) of oil per acre . Do the math.
According to my calculations, to plant enough hemp to serve the world's oil consumption:
Let's assume, for our purposes, that every acre of hemp produces 1.75 bbl of oil(definitely a little on the low side, IMHO) per acre. 31 bil. gallons of oil consumed by the world, every year(roughly about equal to the EIA's estimate for 2010) divided by 1.75 equals about 17.7 bil. in the hemp equivalent. If my calculations are correct, that could require about 27,000,000 sq mi. of land for hemp alone to meet ALL of the world's current oil requirements(though I must admit I'm not a math whiz, so this number could realistically be a little higher....or a lot lower, I dunno which.).
For the U.S. alone, it would require about 10.1 million sq.mi., or about twice the country's total land area. But realistically, if we tried, we could do about 2 million sq. mi. at the very most. There's huge potential for your country too: 3.8 million sq. mi. of land is out there, and let's say we could use about a third of that or about 1.3 million, for hemp. And since Canada consumes far less energy than the U.S. does, only about 2 million barrels per day, or about ~760 million per year(Not bad!), or about 434 million in the hemp equivalent.
In this scenario, if Canada were to be entirely self-sufficient in replacing oil, only about 670,000 sq. mi. would be needed. Let's say that Canada replaces about 80% of fossil fuel usage with hemp, that would equal about 542,000 sq. mi; that would leave, in this scenario, about 750,000 sq. mi. or so to be used, and that about half of this is exported to the U.S., equaling about 2.4 million sq. mi.
So that would only replace about a quarter of the U.S.'s total oil energy. So, obviously we can conclude that hemp alone won't be enough. But it's a decent start.
Even so, these calculations are by no means, perfect, and I'll be refining them over time....perhaps I'll dedicate a topic or two to this in the near future.
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I can agree that negative feedbacks are probably still somewhat poorly understood, but.....
AverageJoe90
Nov 2012
#10
You've never seen any proof that they've been doing research into negative feedbacks?
GliderGuider
Nov 2012
#18
No, I didn't say that research hadn't been done(duh!). I did say NOT ENOUGH research.
AverageJoe90
Nov 2012
#19
"Awhile back?" The fucking NSIDC head said that sea ice won't melt until the 2030s!
joshcryer
Nov 2012
#33
"You are casting uncertainty and doubt on the whole AGW awareness effort through your presence here"
AverageJoe90
Nov 2012
#24
I'm not saying things can't change, I am saying they are unlikely to change.
joshcryer
Nov 2012
#112
You want us to worry more about someone exploring positive feedbacks to their logical conclusion
cprise
Nov 2012
#42
TBH, having read the paper, 25 does seem to be a tad on the high side........
AverageJoe90
Nov 2012
#54
True to a point, but so does your assertion of near 100% probability as well. n/t
AverageJoe90
Nov 2012
#51
Was the Clean Air Act like telling an entire nation they will have to be 10% poorer?
NoOneMan
Nov 2012
#56
No, and look at what happened when CFC production stopped in the mid-'90s.
AverageJoe90
Nov 2012
#57
There's just one problem with your argument: Alternative fuels have been barely implemented at all.
AverageJoe90
Nov 2012
#63
"And we can keep building & developing. We just need to do it in a smarter way,"
NoOneMan
Nov 2012
#74
BTW, philosophically speaking, what is so good about the growth you think we need?
NoOneMan
Nov 2012
#80
Well, it IS true that curbing population growth wouldn't solve this problem alone........
AverageJoe90
Nov 2012
#106
"Ah, you are only thinking in terms of human life and locally." Not really.
AverageJoe90
Nov 2012
#104
What room do we have for reforestation? Where are we going to plant the hemp?
NoOneMan
Nov 2012
#120
Re: "I really wonder if you have taken time to step back and look at the entire system..."
AverageJoe90
Nov 2012
#121
Regarding carbon intensity, that graph painted an incorrectly rosy picture
GliderGuider
Nov 2012
#67
I am one of those who think that the worst-case scenarios are the dominant probability.
GliderGuider
Nov 2012
#64
*Some* of this may be true, but hemp can be grown with food crops, and in fact, is a food crop......
AverageJoe90
Nov 2012
#81
Not in the Tundra itself, but definitely to some extent in the SubArctic north, right around........
AverageJoe90
Nov 2012
#92
So 40%-50% of Sweden's GDP comes from exporting to countries who also cut their emissions?
NoOneMan
Nov 2012
#95
The point is that your example does not illustrate energy reduction resulted in a GDP increase
NoOneMan
Nov 2012
#102
There's a big problem with powering down, though: It's still a "silver bullet" type situation.
AverageJoe90
Nov 2012
#105
Let's hope this report sticks with the science as the others have done.....
AverageJoe90
Nov 2012
#115