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GliderGuider

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14. Here's how far behind the 8-ball we are:
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:27 PM
Nov 2012

Last edited Thu Nov 15, 2012, 04:02 PM - Edit history (1)

The IPCC says this:

http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/spmsspm-projections-of.html

Similarly, to stabilise at 1000 ppm, this feedback could require that cumulative emissions be reduced from a model average of approximately 1415 GtC to approximately 1100 GtC.

Now a reduction of 315 GtC doesn't sound undoable, does it? The problem is, the 1415 number is apparently the average of all the IPCC models, and only one of them (the Big Kahuna, A1FI) bears any resemblance to what's actually happening outside your house. Even under generous assumptions, we're on track to put out almost twice that much - 2500 GtC - over the 21st century. That's definitely a PETM-class event - PETM may have been triggered by a release of ~3000 GtC.

In fact, if we stay on our current trend (which matches or exceeds the IPCC A1FI scenario) we'll have blown our entire 1100 GtC budget in another 40-50 years.

And of course, that's just to keep the atmosphere down to 1000 ppm in 2100. If we burn everything it looks like we will on the current trend, that would mean soaring past 1500 ppm. That's well into PETM territory.

Can we stop using virtually all carbon-based fuels by 2050? No? Well, the price is PETM II.

This is worth reading, both on the subject of PETM and also why the climate feedback from CO2 is likely understated by a factor of 2 in the current IPCC documents:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/08/petm-weirdness/

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Daily LOW temps higher by 7 to 14 degrees every day this year. ffr Nov 2012 #1
It is a rather strange coincidence, TBH. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #3
What were the low temps where you live? ffr Nov 2012 #4
Climate is weather over time. joshcryer Nov 2012 #6
Yeah, but this is the only year that low temps have been this above average this long. n/t AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #22
No one born in the past 27 years has experienced a month without record high temps. joshcryer Nov 2012 #23
Now that's an interesting way of putting it hatrack Nov 2012 #24
Yeah, but what does that have to do with my prior statement? AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #25
Um, it directly contridicts "this is the only year." joshcryer Nov 2012 #27
But not 7, 8, 9, 10 degrees, not for several months at a time. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #28
As an addendum: AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #5
Erm, La Nina ended in June of 2011. El Nino hasn't ramped up yet. joshcryer Nov 2012 #7
We had ripe tomatoes on the vine until November 10th (Kansas City) hatrack Nov 2012 #11
Thanks for doing your part China NoOneMan Nov 2012 #2
It's imperative to get those west coast coal ports up and running pscot Nov 2012 #9
From Kevin Anderson, DD of the Tyndall Center: GliderGuider Nov 2012 #8
Ouch. (n/t) Nihil Nov 2012 #10
The top link the power point presentation, ... CRH Nov 2012 #12
The PPT accompanies the lecture. joshcryer Nov 2012 #20
And people think I'm silly for being an alarmist. joshcryer Nov 2012 #19
something about this doesn't feel like winning the future phantom power Nov 2012 #13
Here's how far behind the 8-ball we are: GliderGuider Nov 2012 #14
Tool Monkeys! Fuck Yeah!!!!! hatrack Nov 2012 #15
Derp! GliderGuider Nov 2012 #17
An interesting read, ... CRH Nov 2012 #16
I think gavin may be Gavin Schmidt, one of the lead contributors GliderGuider Nov 2012 #18
Thanks I was in the process of running an audit trail, ... CRH Nov 2012 #21
My opinion Livluvgrow Nov 2012 #26
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