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GliderGuider

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2. This is the curve that Bill McKibben's "Do the Math" tour is all about.
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:48 AM
Nov 2012
http://math.350.org/

According to McKibben's numbers, we have enough fossil fuel (2795 GtC) to last until about 2090 on my projection.
And, if we accept McKibben's number of 565 GtC as the maximum safe amount we can emit, we'll hit that around 2040.

There are only two things that I can see that might interfere with that course of events. One is the declining EROEI of fossil fuels (especially oil), and the other is the collapse of the globalized industrial economy (and a little bit later, civilization itself) due to a combination of rising fossil fuel EROEI and rising planetary temperature.

We are unlikely to see renewables magically slow that curve, no matter how well (or not) Germany is doing at that. It would take too long for the replacement to kick in, the number of nations involved is too large, and their self-interest is too strong - as long as the fossil fuels are affordable and offer an EROEI over about 5:1 we will burn them. According to a recent draft paper I've seen by Charles Hall, 5:1 is well below the level necessary to maintain what we think of as a "modern" civilization - he now pegs that at around 14:1.

In any event, we are now committed to +2C of warming, and as Kevin Anderson of Tyndall Cenre warns us, +2 is merely a transition point on the path to +4C. Which means we will see +4, probably by mid-century. Given that what we're now seeing at +0.8C is what we recently expected to see at +2, the world at +4 is likely to resemble the world we hadn't planned on until +5 or +6. Here is what RealClimate says about that, in a review of Mark Lynas' book "Six Degrees: Our Future on a Hotter Planet":

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/11/six-degrees/
At 5° and 6°, the book really does start to sound alarmist, with the analogy to Dante’s Inferno – used to good literary effect throughout the book – coming very much to the fore. At five degrees, we have “an entirely new planet is coming into being – one largely unrecognizable from the Earth we know today. At six degrees, “… the pump is primed … not for flourishing palm trees in Alaska, but for the worst of all earthly outcomes: mass extinction.”

Aha, say the skeptics! It is alarmist after all. But is it? Lynas’s reference to the “entirely different planet” actually refers to the fact that at five degrees, the “remaining ice sheets are eventually eliminated from both poles.” That’s entirely true. And unlike in Gore’s discussion of sea level in Inconvenient Truth Lynas does emphasize the long timescales (thousands of years) in this case. Furthermore, there is published research that raises the likelihood of the significant loss of ice sheets at lower temperatures, and Lynas could have claimed certainty of a disappearing Greenland ice sheet in an earlier chapter. That he doesn’t do that is characteristic of the book: it doesn’t tend to go beyond the published literature. This is what Lynas claims at the outset — “all of the material in the book comes from the peer-reviewed scientific literature” – and I think he does an admirable job.

And that brings us back to the question I promised to raise at the beginning, which is this:

If a reading of the published scientific literature paints such a frightening picture of the future as Six Degrees suggests – even while it honestly represents that literature – then are we being too provocative in the way we write our scientific papers? Or are we being too cautious in the way we talk about the implications of the results?

Extinction. It's not just McPherson and me saying stuff like this.

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You may want to redo this at some point. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #1
This is the curve that Bill McKibben's "Do the Math" tour is all about. GliderGuider Nov 2012 #2
Six Degrees and The God Species should be required reading for policy makers wtmusic Nov 2012 #5
To what extent do you think we could trigger another Permian extinction? cprise Nov 2012 #8
I have Ward's book - it's a terrifying read... GliderGuider Nov 2012 #16
The projections I have seen put us at over 900ppm CO2 by 2100 cprise Nov 2012 #34
I think our worst-case scenario (at the moment) is 1200 ppm by 2100. GliderGuider Nov 2012 #35
That seems too hot to avoid a drastic change in biochemistry cprise Nov 2012 #40
Mostly true, but there's a difference: AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #12
There are a number of species that lived through that level of warming cprise Nov 2012 #14
What honestly makes you think we can't? AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #15
It's actually not a compliment to the species that we survived Toba. GliderGuider Nov 2012 #23
Well, I'm now convinced that more research is needed re: Toba at any rate. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #25
I briefly told you what cprise Nov 2012 #33
I don't think you've really understood what I've been trying to say. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #36
What a bunch of sloppy posturing cprise Nov 2012 #39
Sure, sure. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #41
We probably run out of life as well before then NoOneMan Nov 2012 #6
Haven't gotten to it just yet. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #9
It would surely be the end of civilization as we know it NoOneMan Nov 2012 #11
You keep using that word "fact," XemaSab Nov 2012 #13
I know full well what I'm talking about here. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #17
That's not what you said XemaSab Nov 2012 #18
OK, I do realize I could have been clearer. However, my point does still stand. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #19
The stuff coming out of your keyboard XemaSab Nov 2012 #20
On the contrary. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #21
I'll go with the IPCC scenarios caraher Nov 2012 #3
That's your prerogative - this thumbnail assessment isn't the Truth. GliderGuider Nov 2012 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author NoOneMan Nov 2012 #7
Very true. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #10
I'm unwilling to extrapolate out to 2100, based soley on data for the past 20-odd years OKIsItJustMe Nov 2012 #22
Stopping the extrapolation at 2015 leaves far too much wiggle room for the diminishers. GliderGuider Nov 2012 #24
That’s worse! OKIsItJustMe Nov 2012 #29
The point is to present what is possibly the worst case scenario imaginable. GliderGuider Nov 2012 #30
I suggest a simple graph for 1980-2015 OKIsItJustMe Nov 2012 #31
I prefer to keep it in line with the IPCC projections that go out to 2100. GliderGuider Nov 2012 #32
Me neither. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #26
You don't trust Bill McKibben? GliderGuider Nov 2012 #27
It seems I made a mistake. I apologize. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #28
On the lighter side... caraher Nov 2012 #37
Yer not going to like my next trick very much either, then. GliderGuider Nov 2012 #38
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