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In reply to the discussion: Actual Carbon Emissions vs. IPCC Scenarios - how far away is safety? [View all]OKIsItJustMe
(21,875 posts)29. That’s worse!
You chose 1990 rather than 1980 or 1985, because that gave you a worse result.
This is the sort of game that the skeptics like to play, choosing their starting points to produce a result they like.
Its also the sort of game that some proponents of solar and wind like to play, suggesting that an apparent geometric increase extending over a few years will continue indefinitely.
http://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/refsys/pdf/PV%20reports/PV%20Status%20Report%202012.pdf
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Fig. 1: World PV Cell/Module Production from 2000 to 2011
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(It would be wonderful if it did, but such a trend is virtually impossible to maintain indefinitely.)

Fig. 1: World PV Cell/Module Production from 2000 to 2011
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However, I think its reasonable to assume that as we use more and more of our fossil fuel reserves, fossil fuels will continue to become more and more expensive. As a result we will use less of them.
I like to point out to people that we didn't just discover oil in the tar sands of Canada or have some technological breakthrough. Why are we doing it now then? Because the easiest stuff to get to is (essentially) gone. So, now, were going after the harder stuff, even though its more expensive to produce. The cost of fossil fuels has finally risen high enough to make unconventional sources like tar sands, deep ocean drilling & high volume horizontal hydraulic fracturing profitable.
At the same time as fossil fuels are becoming more and more expensive, the cost of renewable energy is coming down. Whether people believe in anthropogenic climate change or not, financially, they will be driven to pursue alternative energy sources, which will increasingly be renewables.
So, I simply dont believe that smoothly increasing emissions curve is real.
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Actual Carbon Emissions vs. IPCC Scenarios - how far away is safety? [View all]
GliderGuider
Nov 2012
OP
Well, I'm now convinced that more research is needed re: Toba at any rate.
AverageJoe90
Nov 2012
#25
OK, I do realize I could have been clearer. However, my point does still stand.
AverageJoe90
Nov 2012
#19
I'm unwilling to extrapolate out to 2100, based soley on data for the past 20-odd years
OKIsItJustMe
Nov 2012
#22
Stopping the extrapolation at 2015 leaves far too much wiggle room for the diminishers.
GliderGuider
Nov 2012
#24
The point is to present what is possibly the worst case scenario imaginable.
GliderGuider
Nov 2012
#30
I prefer to keep it in line with the IPCC projections that go out to 2100.
GliderGuider
Nov 2012
#32