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In reply to the discussion: Who Killed the Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor (LFTR)? [View all]GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)100. Maybe this will help
Last edited Sat Dec 31, 2011, 01:41 PM - Edit history (1)
The predicament that humanity finds ourselves in extends far beyond the simple issue of C02 and climate change. The following excerpt is the opening of an article I wrote earlier in the year to sketch out my views more completely.
A 50000 Foot View of the Global Crisis
We are now well into a global crisis that may mark the end of this cycle of human civilization. In this note I present a summary of whats going on as far as I can tell, as well as a scenario for how things might develop over the next 75 years or so.
Because the global predicament manifests itself in some way in virtually every area of human endeavour, any useful approach to it must be massively cross-disciplinary. Fruitful areas for investigation include:
Human Issues:
We are now well into a global crisis that may mark the end of this cycle of human civilization. In this note I present a summary of whats going on as far as I can tell, as well as a scenario for how things might develop over the next 75 years or so.
Because the global predicament manifests itself in some way in virtually every area of human endeavour, any useful approach to it must be massively cross-disciplinary. Fruitful areas for investigation include:
Human Issues:
- Politics
- Economics
- Finance (especially the characteristics and behaviour of money)
- History
- Anthropology
- Sociology
- Neuro-psychology
- Agriculture
- Peak Oil and oil production in general
- Classical electrical generation (coal, nuclear and hydro power)
- Renewable electrical generation (wind, solar, geothermal, tidal and biomass)
- Biofuels (including ERoEI considerations)
- Rare Earth metal supplies
- Copper and Iron ore concentrations
- Ecology (especially related to carrying capacity and footprint)
- Climate change
- Ocean acidification
- Methane tipping points (permafrost and oceanic hydrates)
- Species extinctions (including oceanic overfishing)
- Deforestation and desertification
- Fresh water depletion
- Soil fertility depletion
- Pollution: chemicals, heavy metals, radioactive waste, eutrophication, oceanic debris fields etc.
- Complex adaptive systems and resilience theory
- Complexity theory and Liebigs Law of the Minimum
- Geoengineering
- Genetic engineering (especially related to agriculture)
- Habitat loss due to human numbers/activity
- Overpopulation
- Peak Food
C02-free energy will address some of these issues, but not all. And IMO nuclear power of any sort is far too risky to be building out this close to the end game. Let renewables to what they can. There are many other places where we can apply our efforts, to issues that will have more far-reaching benefits for the planet, at far lower risk and cost.
Did that help explain my position?
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Yes, I'm not looking at economics, I'm looking at environmental considerations.
joshcryer
Dec 2011
#28
700+ environmental organizations think that we should sit on nuclear waste...
joshcryer
Dec 2011
#32
The DOD wanted all reactors to be dual purpose -- provide plutonium for weapons, as well as power.
eppur_se_muova
Dec 2011
#2
Did it ever occur to you that the US commercial nuclear fuel cycle was developed to produce bombs
jpak
Dec 2011
#91
North Korea's plutonium production reactor had an electrical generating capacity of 5 MWe
jpak
Dec 2011
#98
Barry Brook is the Director of Climate Science at the University of Adelaide.
joshcryer
Dec 2011
#21
He might as well be drawing a paycheck directly from the uranium mining industry.
kristopher
Dec 2011
#37
Nice find. Brook's environmental record remains untarnished by anonymous detractors.
joshcryer
Dec 2011
#90
The damage comes from both the use of the energy and the waste products of its production.
GliderGuider
Dec 2011
#52
OK - why is human impact 6x what it should be to guarantee long-term sustainability?
wtmusic
Dec 2011
#83
I base my opinion on the situation around the beginning of the Industrial Revolution.
GliderGuider
Dec 2011
#84
There is no plan. The required change is too large to be anything except involuntary.
GliderGuider
Dec 2011
#64
The "required change" I talk about has little to do with immediate human welfare.
GliderGuider
Dec 2011
#66
I thought I was clear. I don't "propose" any mechanism, I think all we have to do is wait.
GliderGuider
Dec 2011
#70
According to WHO, "only" 150,000 annual deaths are directly attributable to global warming
wtmusic
Dec 2011
#80