"Historical Collapses" primer?

[NoOneMan]

7. But that theory of complexity is supported by tangibles examples

In its most abstract forms, its difficult (mathematically) to refute it.

What is also interesting is that by looking at the past, we present a perfect way to understand our current predicament. The only guaranteed action to carry forth is to decline gracefully (with global cooperation) until we reach a sustainable state, but this is not even up for discussion. The very notion of it is disgusting and is, in a way, an admittance of failure (such that "success" is measured by perpetual exponential growth of technology, population and the economy). So instead, we discuss how to craft complexity to deal with our situation: how to rebuild grids & energy infrastructure, how to tax energy, how to distribute goods and services in an increasing inegalitarian world. We are encountering a problem and instead of backing away from it, humans are trying to create a bridge over it with complex technology and bureaucracy. All the while, it is absolutely provable that the return on energy production and even education is dropping dramatically, requiring more and more energy to maintain, leaving less and less to grow forward. Soon, its entirely possible we reach a state of complexity that requires more energy to maintain than is physically available in a ready form.

Honestly, that is an end to this civilization that is wholly preferable to environmental destruction ending us as we attempt to overshoot through it