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GliderGuider

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41. I've been pondering what temperature change I believe is realistic
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:05 PM
Nov 2012

Last edited Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:46 PM - Edit history (1)

The biggest question is what happens in the next 30 years. We're on the steepest part of the global emissions curve so far. At the rate we've been increasing our emissions since 1985, they could rise over 60% to over 55 GtCO2/year by 2030, and potentially to 75 Gt/year by 2040. That would raise levels to over 500 ppm by 2040.

I just don't see us reining in our emissions substantially - if at all - before 2040. I think we might be able to slow the rise of CO2 levels starting in 2040 to 2050 based on a combination of panic-driven policy changes and global economic depression, so that we end the century at at around 700 ppm. That would imply a rise of about +5C by the end of the century.

If CO2 emissions then fell to zero in the first half of the 22nd century, we would probably see a rise to +12 by the end of that century. They would rise that high because of both the additional CO2 we would generate in the first half of the century, as well as the long feedback effects that Hansen et al think raise the final equilibrium climate sensitivity to +6C per doubling.

+12 C is bad, but if the action we take by 2050 isn't drastic enough, we won't be able to keep it to even that level. We are in a very, very serious box.

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Still waiting for someone to debunk Lynas wtmusic Nov 2012 #1
Woh - Impressive Work Bigmack Nov 2012 #2
AT +10C, anybody who thinks humanity's survival is guaranteed is deluded. phantom power Nov 2012 #3
A +10C shift would be a planetwide catastrophe struggle4progress Nov 2012 #4
There is absolutely no question about that. GliderGuider Nov 2012 #5
By then we'll be colonizing Mars. joshcryer Nov 2012 #7
Is that a joke? NoOneMan Nov 2012 #9
Now that's an interesting observation. GliderGuider Nov 2012 #11
That's the main point I'm trying to make. joshcryer Nov 2012 #14
That'll happen too. We'll also probably move underground. joshcryer Nov 2012 #13
Any technology requires two key things in order to function GliderGuider Nov 2012 #15
Like you pointed out, we have fossil fuels until 2090. joshcryer Nov 2012 #17
Finding, drilling, transporting, refining and distributing GliderGuider Nov 2012 #19
I can't really disagree, I just can't predict how bad the die off will be. joshcryer Nov 2012 #20
Yes, there are a lot of unknowns. GliderGuider Nov 2012 #22
What can I say? Why aren't those in power getting the message? Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #6
I suspect that some of them ignore it because they already get it. GliderGuider Nov 2012 #12
I'm not so sure they get it. Not to the point of solution. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #23
For the vast majority, I'm sure you're right. GliderGuider Nov 2012 #24
I think your study has a weakness that you have stated, ... CRH Nov 2012 #8
Thanks, those are good additions. GliderGuider Nov 2012 #10
So are you "prepping" for your predictions? NoOneMan Nov 2012 #16
Nope. I've made the choice to stay in my community and go through whatever they do. GliderGuider Nov 2012 #18
Good luck with that! NoOneMan Nov 2012 #21
Easter Island AldoLeopold Nov 2012 #25
Carl Lipo and Terry Hunt have some different mahina Nov 2012 #26
Yah, totally its contraversial AldoLeopold Nov 2012 #27
Rapa Nui peoples struggles are not over mahina Nov 2012 #28
holy smokes, my android does some crazy autocorrects. mahina Nov 2012 #29
Their radio carbing dating is thoroughly unsupported. joshcryer Nov 2012 #31
Really? AldoLeopold Nov 2012 #36
Carl Lipo and Terry Hunt have some wrong ideas about what happened. joshcryer Nov 2012 #30
Interesting mahina Nov 2012 #34
You sir, are on my awesome list AldoLeopold Nov 2012 #37
joshcryer and I may not agree on everything, but GliderGuider Nov 2012 #43
I think you're way too sanguine pscot Nov 2012 #32
The biggest unknown in all this is GliderGuider Nov 2012 #38
I agree pscot Nov 2012 #40
Acceleration - that's the kick in the nuts, isn't it? GliderGuider Nov 2012 #42
The kick in the nadgers pscot Nov 2012 #44
+10C is PETM temperatures. Odin2005 Nov 2012 #33
Yeah, not by 2100, anyhow. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #35
If we act by +3, we'll eventually get +6 anyway GliderGuider Nov 2012 #39
I've been pondering what temperature change I believe is realistic GliderGuider Nov 2012 #41
Kick to make sure people see my error and apology nt GliderGuider Nov 2012 #45
Phew. Please pass the gasoline? wtmusic Nov 2012 #46
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