Environment & Energy

PamW

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120. Made up numbers...

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 08:13 PM

Dec 2011

Let's assume wind will capture 50% of the market
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Why don't you assume that wind will be 99.9% of the market for all
that means - it's a made-up, fabricated number.

Scientists from the National Academy of Science and Engineering have studied
this and say that renewables including solar and wind will be no more than
20% - 30% of our electric energy supply - MAXIMUM.

You and the other denizens of DU who don't have any credentials or experience
in science can make up and fabricate numbers till the cows come home.

As a good scientist; I will go with the assessment of other good scientists in the
National Academy of Science and Engineering, every time.

PamW

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