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In reply to the discussion: Kill the Economy [View all]NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)74. Head back to the "hahahaha"
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The importance of stature for birth complications was
well recognized by early 20th century obstetricians, who
noted high rates of perinatal mortality in the main urban
centers of 19th century industrialization (Baird, 1949; Illsley, 1966).
Illsley identified strong north-south gradients in
both perinatal mortality, and in maternal height. Within
each geographical region, and within social classes, perinatal mortality
and maternal height remained correlated. A
large proportion of this association (e.g. 1,058 of 1,282 caesarean
sections performed in 1911) could be attributed to
rickets, which involved significant flattening of the pelvis in
response to nutritional deficiencies during early maternal
development (Dick, 1922).
Amongst the forager populations, all have low
frequencies of perinatal and infant skeletons, ranging from 0 to
6.5% of the skeletal assemblage, and combined perinatal
and infant mortality does not exceed 6.5%. In contrast,
perinatal and infant mortality among the three agricultural
groups ranges from 31.3% (Arikara) to 35.5% (Teotihuacan).
High levels of infant mortality amongst agricultural
populations are not unexpected, and may be
related to higher levels of infectious disease. The proportions
of perinatal skeletons in the Teotihuacan (31.3%)
and Dakhleh Oasis (18.2%, minimal estimate, based on
estimates provided in the text of the article) are of particular
interest, in that they might suggest high levels of
obstetric mortality.
With regard to contemporary Homo sapiens, we
suggest that the magnitude of the dilemma is sensitive to
several ecological pressures including the thermal environment,
dietary energy availability and glycemic load,
and infectious disease burden. In turn, we suggest that
these ecological stresses may each have become exacerbated
during the transition to agriculture, acting on both
maternal and fetal phenotype, such that the obstetric dilemma
may have been worse in the last few thousand
years than was the case for Pleistocene Homo.
Think about that. The studied forager populations didn't have a combined perinatal and infant mortality rate over 6.5% (not the nightmare you probably envisioned from hearing about how bad pre-modern medicine civilized society was).
On this, I think we can safely agree to disagree
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“The modern economy is slavery; it forces everyone to work in such a way their labor is exploited…”
OKIsItJustMe
Dec 2012
#2
Why do you think people make "poor" choices that make them life-long servants to debt?
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#43
Why? Are we born that way? Are we molded that way to benefit something? Do we "choose" it?
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#47
I think Wesley had the right idea, that it takes training to combat our “natural instincts”
OKIsItJustMe
Dec 2012
#48
Natural instincts? I don't see hunter-gatherers going into debt, consuming everything in sight
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#49
I completely reject your premise that humans just naturally want material objects
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#51
"Our key error was our choice to see ourselves as being separate from the world that sustains us"
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#114
The level that consumerism requires isn't natural. We are conditioned to it as a matter of policy:
cprise
Dec 2012
#88
“It is a proven fact that health has declined drastically since the onset of agriculture…”
OKIsItJustMe
Dec 2012
#107
“…only makes sense among a diseased population living with stress and nutritional deficiencies.”
OKIsItJustMe
Dec 2012
#128
Agriculture as “Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race”? – Anthropology 2.1
OKIsItJustMe
Dec 2012
#124
I feel like Antrosio just rubbed feces into my cortex while urinating on Diamond's name
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#126
“… shorter stature … agriculture coincided with a massive reduction to human health”
OKIsItJustMe
Dec 2012
#145
"A decline of stature of historic populations has been used to indicate nutritional status."
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#146
Interacting with an environment not of your choosing has no impact on the veracity of one's message
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#159
Billions of people are malnourished and a billion face perpetual hunger already
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#168
Almost all the health care advances are merely to negate the consequences of nutritional deficits,
DonCoquixote
Dec 2012
#59
"One of the most profound changes to occur with the foraging to farming transition.....
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#77
the kind of "real" that matters is "stuff happening to me directly" - which is starting too
phantom power
Dec 2012
#3
"'survival of the fittest' does not quite work under these conditions", we THINK.
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2012
#39
This much is certain, we can affect our environment. (We’ve been doing it for millennia.)
OKIsItJustMe
Dec 2012
#15
It seems my skepticism about microfinance was misdirected, but not misplaced
GliderGuider
Dec 2012
#27