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In reply to the discussion: Kill the Economy [View all]OKIsItJustMe
(21,875 posts)127. Did he say the farmers were healthier?
As for Diamonds name
it appears the label plagiarist fits.
Its hard for me to imagine healthy, happy hunter-gatherers looking at their short, sickly, short-lived, over-worked farmer neighbors and saying, Thats the life for me!
Its hard for me to imagine an army of sickly, short-lived, brittle-boned invaders displacing a healthier, heartier, happier native population
But, then, failures of my imagination prove nothing.
Perhaps the evidence which is used to prove the farmers were sickly (e.g. shorter stature) is misleading. Perhaps the farmers were simply a different (smaller) population?
http://news.stanford.edu/news/2002/october9/archeogentics.html
[font face=Serif]Stanford Report, October 9, 2002
[font size=5]Overlapping genetic and archeological evidence reveals human migration[/font]
[font size=3]By LINLEY ERIN HALL
For the first time, Stanford researchers have compared genetic patterns with archeological findings to discover that genetics can help predict with a high degree of accuracy the presence of certain artifacts. And they say the strength of this link adds credence to theories that prehistoric people migrated from the Middle East to Europe, taking both their ideas and their way of life with them.
The researchers analysis showed that a pair of mutations on the Y chromosome, called Eu9, predicted the presence of certain figurines from the Neolithic period with 88 percent accuracy and the presence of painted pottery with 80 percent accuracy. The study appeared in the September issue of Antiquity.
It is known that agriculture spread from the Middle East to Europe during the Neolithic period about 12,000 years ago, but for many years archeologists have debated how this occurred. Was it due to the movement of people or to the movement of ideas? Previous genetic analysis of people living today suggests a migration that the people moved but critics have questioned this view. The latest study reinforces evidence of a migration in which people brought their ideas and lifestyle with them.
The researchers found a strong correlation in their study between the Y-chromosome mutations and the presence of certain artifacts. Nonetheless, Underhill remains cautious. "No gene on the Y chromosome is going to program you to make pottery," he said. Instead, the Y-chromosome mutation pairs used in the study are simply population markers that in this case were compared to ceramics. The same mutations could be compared to many different types of artifacts.
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[font size=5]Overlapping genetic and archeological evidence reveals human migration[/font]
[font size=3]By LINLEY ERIN HALL
For the first time, Stanford researchers have compared genetic patterns with archeological findings to discover that genetics can help predict with a high degree of accuracy the presence of certain artifacts. And they say the strength of this link adds credence to theories that prehistoric people migrated from the Middle East to Europe, taking both their ideas and their way of life with them.
The researchers analysis showed that a pair of mutations on the Y chromosome, called Eu9, predicted the presence of certain figurines from the Neolithic period with 88 percent accuracy and the presence of painted pottery with 80 percent accuracy. The study appeared in the September issue of Antiquity.
It is known that agriculture spread from the Middle East to Europe during the Neolithic period about 12,000 years ago, but for many years archeologists have debated how this occurred. Was it due to the movement of people or to the movement of ideas? Previous genetic analysis of people living today suggests a migration that the people moved but critics have questioned this view. The latest study reinforces evidence of a migration in which people brought their ideas and lifestyle with them.
The researchers found a strong correlation in their study between the Y-chromosome mutations and the presence of certain artifacts. Nonetheless, Underhill remains cautious. "No gene on the Y chromosome is going to program you to make pottery," he said. Instead, the Y-chromosome mutation pairs used in the study are simply population markers that in this case were compared to ceramics. The same mutations could be compared to many different types of artifacts.
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http://www.adelaide.edu.au/news/news42161.html
[font face=Serif][font size=5]DNA reveals origins of first European farmers[/font]
[font size=4]Wednesday, 10 November 2010[/font]
[font size=3]A team of international researchers led by ancient DNA experts from the University of Adelaide has resolved the longstanding issue of the origins of the people who introduced farming to Europe some 8000 years ago.
A detailed genetic study of one of the first farming communities in Europe, from central Germany, reveals marked similarities with populations living in the Ancient Near East (modern-day Turkey, Iraq and other countries) rather than those from Europe.
Project leader Professor Alan Cooper, Director of the Australian Centre for Ancient DNA (ACAD) at the University of Adelaide, says: "This overturns current thinking, which accepts that the first European farming populations were constructed largely from existing populations of hunter-gatherers, who had either rapidly learned to farm or interbred with the invaders."
"We have finally resolved the question of who the first farmers in Europe were - invaders with revolutionary new ideas, rather than populations of Stone Age hunter-gatherers who already existed in the area," says lead author Dr Wolfgang Haak, Senior Research Associate with ACAD at the University of Adelaide.
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[font size=4]Wednesday, 10 November 2010[/font]
[font size=3]A team of international researchers led by ancient DNA experts from the University of Adelaide has resolved the longstanding issue of the origins of the people who introduced farming to Europe some 8000 years ago.
A detailed genetic study of one of the first farming communities in Europe, from central Germany, reveals marked similarities with populations living in the Ancient Near East (modern-day Turkey, Iraq and other countries) rather than those from Europe.
Project leader Professor Alan Cooper, Director of the Australian Centre for Ancient DNA (ACAD) at the University of Adelaide, says: "This overturns current thinking, which accepts that the first European farming populations were constructed largely from existing populations of hunter-gatherers, who had either rapidly learned to farm or interbred with the invaders."
"We have finally resolved the question of who the first farmers in Europe were - invaders with revolutionary new ideas, rather than populations of Stone Age hunter-gatherers who already existed in the area," says lead author Dr Wolfgang Haak, Senior Research Associate with ACAD at the University of Adelaide.
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“The modern economy is slavery; it forces everyone to work in such a way their labor is exploited…”
OKIsItJustMe
Dec 2012
#2
Why do you think people make "poor" choices that make them life-long servants to debt?
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#43
Why? Are we born that way? Are we molded that way to benefit something? Do we "choose" it?
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#47
I think Wesley had the right idea, that it takes training to combat our “natural instincts”
OKIsItJustMe
Dec 2012
#48
Natural instincts? I don't see hunter-gatherers going into debt, consuming everything in sight
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#49
I completely reject your premise that humans just naturally want material objects
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#51
"Our key error was our choice to see ourselves as being separate from the world that sustains us"
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#114
The level that consumerism requires isn't natural. We are conditioned to it as a matter of policy:
cprise
Dec 2012
#88
“It is a proven fact that health has declined drastically since the onset of agriculture…”
OKIsItJustMe
Dec 2012
#107
“…only makes sense among a diseased population living with stress and nutritional deficiencies.”
OKIsItJustMe
Dec 2012
#128
Agriculture as “Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race”? – Anthropology 2.1
OKIsItJustMe
Dec 2012
#124
I feel like Antrosio just rubbed feces into my cortex while urinating on Diamond's name
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#126
“… shorter stature … agriculture coincided with a massive reduction to human health”
OKIsItJustMe
Dec 2012
#145
"A decline of stature of historic populations has been used to indicate nutritional status."
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#146
Interacting with an environment not of your choosing has no impact on the veracity of one's message
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#159
Billions of people are malnourished and a billion face perpetual hunger already
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#168
Almost all the health care advances are merely to negate the consequences of nutritional deficits,
DonCoquixote
Dec 2012
#59
"One of the most profound changes to occur with the foraging to farming transition.....
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#77
the kind of "real" that matters is "stuff happening to me directly" - which is starting too
phantom power
Dec 2012
#3
"'survival of the fittest' does not quite work under these conditions", we THINK.
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2012
#39
This much is certain, we can affect our environment. (We’ve been doing it for millennia.)
OKIsItJustMe
Dec 2012
#15
It seems my skepticism about microfinance was misdirected, but not misplaced
GliderGuider
Dec 2012
#27