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In reply to the discussion: Kill the Economy [View all]OKIsItJustMe
(21,875 posts)164. My key point is this
- The earliest European farmers appear to be genetically different from the hunter-gatherers.
- Height should not be used to judge the relative health of different populations.
I know its popular to dream of some idyllic time, before the fall. (People have been doing that for millennia.)
I think the living was hard for the farmers and the hunter-gatherers. However, a decision was made (over the course of millennia) that, on the balance, farming was the better path. It seems quite odd to me to suggest that over the course of millennia, humans blindly wandered down a dramatically worse path.
http://dx.doi.orgi/10.1002/ajpa.21301
[font face=Serif][font size=5]Paleopathology and the origin of agriculture in the Levant[/font]
Article first published online: 27 MAY 2010
DOI: 10.1002/ajpa.21301
[font size=4]Abstract[/font]
[font size=3]This study addresses changes in health which were consequential to the Neolithic transition in the southern Levant, judged on the basis of the study of specific and nonspecific stress indicators, trauma, and degenerative joint disease in 200 Natufian (hunter-gatherer) skeletons (10,5008300 BC) and 205 Neolithic (agricultural) skeletons (83005500 BC) from the southern Levant. The comparison of the health profiles of pre-Neolithic (Natufian) and Neolithic populations reveals a higher prevalence of lesions indicative of infectious diseases among the Neolithic population, and an overall reduction in the prevalence of skull trauma among males. No change over time was observed in the prevalence of degenerative joint disease. These results indicate that in the southern Levant the Neolithic transition did not simply lead to an overall deterioration in health but rather resulted in a complex health profile which was shaped by 1) an increase exposure to disease agents, 2) changes in diet, 3) population aggregation in larger and denser settlements, 4) changes in activity patterns and the division of labor, and possibly 5) a higher resistant immunological system and response capacity to environmental aggressions (mainly infections). Am J Phys Anthropol 143:121133, 2010. © 2010 Wiley-Liss, Inc.
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Article first published online: 27 MAY 2010
DOI: 10.1002/ajpa.21301
[font size=4]Abstract[/font]
[font size=3]This study addresses changes in health which were consequential to the Neolithic transition in the southern Levant, judged on the basis of the study of specific and nonspecific stress indicators, trauma, and degenerative joint disease in 200 Natufian (hunter-gatherer) skeletons (10,5008300 BC) and 205 Neolithic (agricultural) skeletons (83005500 BC) from the southern Levant. The comparison of the health profiles of pre-Neolithic (Natufian) and Neolithic populations reveals a higher prevalence of lesions indicative of infectious diseases among the Neolithic population, and an overall reduction in the prevalence of skull trauma among males. No change over time was observed in the prevalence of degenerative joint disease. These results indicate that in the southern Levant the Neolithic transition did not simply lead to an overall deterioration in health but rather resulted in a complex health profile which was shaped by 1) an increase exposure to disease agents, 2) changes in diet, 3) population aggregation in larger and denser settlements, 4) changes in activity patterns and the division of labor, and possibly 5) a higher resistant immunological system and response capacity to environmental aggressions (mainly infections). Am J Phys Anthropol 143:121133, 2010. © 2010 Wiley-Liss, Inc.
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“The modern economy is slavery; it forces everyone to work in such a way their labor is exploited…”
OKIsItJustMe
Dec 2012
#2
Why do you think people make "poor" choices that make them life-long servants to debt?
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#43
Why? Are we born that way? Are we molded that way to benefit something? Do we "choose" it?
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#47
I think Wesley had the right idea, that it takes training to combat our “natural instincts”
OKIsItJustMe
Dec 2012
#48
Natural instincts? I don't see hunter-gatherers going into debt, consuming everything in sight
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#49
I completely reject your premise that humans just naturally want material objects
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#51
"Our key error was our choice to see ourselves as being separate from the world that sustains us"
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#114
The level that consumerism requires isn't natural. We are conditioned to it as a matter of policy:
cprise
Dec 2012
#88
“It is a proven fact that health has declined drastically since the onset of agriculture…”
OKIsItJustMe
Dec 2012
#107
“…only makes sense among a diseased population living with stress and nutritional deficiencies.”
OKIsItJustMe
Dec 2012
#128
Agriculture as “Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race”? – Anthropology 2.1
OKIsItJustMe
Dec 2012
#124
I feel like Antrosio just rubbed feces into my cortex while urinating on Diamond's name
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#126
“… shorter stature … agriculture coincided with a massive reduction to human health”
OKIsItJustMe
Dec 2012
#145
"A decline of stature of historic populations has been used to indicate nutritional status."
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#146
Interacting with an environment not of your choosing has no impact on the veracity of one's message
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#159
Billions of people are malnourished and a billion face perpetual hunger already
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#168
Almost all the health care advances are merely to negate the consequences of nutritional deficits,
DonCoquixote
Dec 2012
#59
"One of the most profound changes to occur with the foraging to farming transition.....
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#77
the kind of "real" that matters is "stuff happening to me directly" - which is starting too
phantom power
Dec 2012
#3
"'survival of the fittest' does not quite work under these conditions", we THINK.
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2012
#39
This much is certain, we can affect our environment. (We’ve been doing it for millennia.)
OKIsItJustMe
Dec 2012
#15
It seems my skepticism about microfinance was misdirected, but not misplaced
GliderGuider
Dec 2012
#27