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[NoOneMan]

58. "...will not be included in any of the temperature models"

I'm a bit annoyed that the arm-chair contrarians who laud the virtues of scientific consensus conveniently ignore the faults of this particular consensus machine; namely, dated information assimilation, exclusion of relevant data and the political influence on the body (and their potential, reciprocal influence on politics).

In any case, its beyond apparent that what the IPCC produces is not the best possible representation of the most current science on the matter; it is not the divine work of God equivalent to the Holy Bible (though, it may be following a similar path as the canonization‎ of the Holy works, where as anti-establishment texts are excluded on an arbitrary basis). Throwing feces at "extremists" and "alarmists" who try to take into account relevant, peer-reviewed research that is not included in the IPCC is not helpful to the discussion or useful. Frankly, it has no more merit than calling someone "poopyhead".

Just because governments created a body to produce the conceptual framework they must abide by while considering climate change in policy discussions, it does not mean that new but excluded research is "out of bounds" in discussions by non-government bodies (like scientists, or even here). The attempt to force everyone to follow arbitrary rules to restrict dialogue reeks of severe bias (beyond just loving the "scientific process&quot .

If these people really loved "science", instead of reinforcing establishment consensus and dismissing novel views, wouldn't they spend their time imploring the IPCC--through any means possible--to include the latests, established data in all their models? Its not truth they are after, but rather, shutting down undesirable dialogue.

Maybe DU "extremists" (without being beholden to a government) should start compiling their own climate reports and screaming at anyone who discusses anything outside the consensus they personally reach (which will be influenced by how they feel about the global economy). That might "win" some points; in any case, climate change won't take much notice.