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OKIsItJustMe

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16. Oh, energy efficiency can’t save civilization by itself
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:32 PM
Jan 2013

But Jevons Paradox is a load of crap.

http://www.greatenergychallengeblog.com/2010/12/20/rebounds-gone-wild/

[font face=Serif][font size=5]Rebounds Gone Wild[/font]

Posted by James Barrett of Clean Economy Development Center on December 20, 2010

[font size=3]Energy efficiency has become very popular in recent years. So much so that it’s becoming cool for the truly hip to hold it in disdain.



To be clear, the rebound effect is real. The theory behind it is sound: Lower the cost of anything and people will use more of it, including the cost of running energy consuming equipment. But as with many economic ideas that are sound theory (like the idea that you can raise government revenues by cutting tax rates), the trick is in knowing how far to take them in reality. (Cutting tax rates from 100% to 50% would certainly raise revenues. Cutting them from 50% to 0% would just as surely lower them.)

The problem with knowing how far to take things like this is that unlike real scientists who can run experiments in a controlled laboratory environment, economists usually have to rely on what we can observe in the real world. Unfortunately, the real world is complicated and trying to disentangle everything that’s going on is very difficult.

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The truth about “Jevons Paradox” OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #1
Are you claiming that this somehow disputes the rebound principle? GliderGuider Jan 2013 #2
The “rebound effect” is real, but its magnitude is exaggerated OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #5
I would invite you to read section 5 of the paper. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #8
Truthfully, telling me that a paper proves (among other things) that the “Jevons Paradox…is real”… OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #10
As I said below, GliderGuider Jan 2013 #11
Whose reasoning is motivated? Mine? Yours? or the author’s? OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #12
Well, I'm not throwing up the impassioned defense, and the author just wrote a paper. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #15
Oh, energy efficiency can’t save civilization by itself OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #16
Mangling Energy Efficiency Economics OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #13
Some Dilemma: Efficient Appliances Use Less Energy, Produce the Same Level of Service with Less… OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #14
Well, just to start.... NoOneMan Jan 2013 #20
You buck the system AldoLeopold Jan 2013 #24
Energy Efficiency is for Real, Energy Rebound a Distraction OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #17
I know exactly how the general public will respond to this... Speck Tater Jan 2013 #3
Of course they will. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #4
But on the other hand, what can we expect? Speck Tater Jan 2013 #6
I doubt the general public would be able to understand this even if they wanted too. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #7
Yes, that's why I posted it here instead of in GD GliderGuider Jan 2013 #9
Prosperity is when everyone has enough to eat, a safe place to sleep... hunter Jan 2013 #18
True that. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #19
I thought prosperity is when everyone within earshot has those things NoOneMan Jan 2013 #21
+1 nt eppur_se_muova Jan 2013 #22
+100 Well said. Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #23
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